1920 Peggy's Popcorn Cards

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December 19th, 2008, 11:34 pm #11

Rec'd the Winter 2008 SGC Collector Magazine today with the article on these 6 recently discovered cards. Is it just me but does the photo on the Dazzy Vance card look like Burleigh Grimes instead of Ol' Daz?
Dennis, fair enough. I'm not sure how this will turn out but here's a scan of the magazine photo.
Different years of issue is a possibility. There is more than one version of the offer on the back. The cards are attributed to a company in western Canada which existed in the early 1920s and even though Vance was not in the majors in 1920, he was a regular in the PCL. 1920 is the year that fits based on Gandil's presence (PCL connection as well) and Ruth's appearance as a Yankee.
The Vance card is a different size and could easily have been issued at a later date and the player appears to be in pin stripes (Vance was briefly with the Yankees before 1922).

Why are you sure the picture is of Grimes? Does someone have the actual photo? Is there an early image of Vance for comparison (most of the photos I am familiar with are him as an old man)?
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December 19th, 2008, 11:56 pm #12

Rec'd the Winter 2008 SGC Collector Magazine today with the article on these 6 recently discovered cards. Is it just me but does the photo on the Dazzy Vance card look like Burleigh Grimes instead of Ol' Daz?
Dennis, fair enough. I'm not sure how this will turn out but here's a scan of the magazine photo.
Can someone post pictures of the remaining cards?
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December 20th, 2008, 1:23 am #13

Rec'd the Winter 2008 SGC Collector Magazine today with the article on these 6 recently discovered cards. Is it just me but does the photo on the Dazzy Vance card look like Burleigh Grimes instead of Ol' Daz?
Dennis, fair enough. I'm not sure how this will turn out but here's a scan of the magazine photo.
What Dan said.
-Rhett
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December 20th, 2008, 1:38 am #14

Rec'd the Winter 2008 SGC Collector Magazine today with the article on these 6 recently discovered cards. Is it just me but does the photo on the Dazzy Vance card look like Burleigh Grimes instead of Ol' Daz?
Dennis, fair enough. I'm not sure how this will turn out but here's a scan of the magazine photo.
Grimes

Vance
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December 20th, 2008, 1:55 am #15

Rec'd the Winter 2008 SGC Collector Magazine today with the article on these 6 recently discovered cards. Is it just me but does the photo on the Dazzy Vance card look like Burleigh Grimes instead of Ol' Daz?
Dennis, fair enough. I'm not sure how this will turn out but here's a scan of the magazine photo.
Being one of the few who has held the raw cards in my hands and examined them at length, I can assure both Dan and Rhett that they are legitimate, albeit quite rare or possibly one-of-a-kind, much like many other hobby issues such as the recently discovered 1912 W-UNC Strip cards of Wagner and Young, the 1904 Allegheny "game" cards, the 1888 Gypsy Queen California League card, D303 Mother's Bread, or the Alpha Photo-Engraving Baltimore Orioles.

I should also mention (not sure if it's in the SGC article) that the provenance is interesting in that the cards were originally part of an extensive collection of vintage baseball cards and rare coins that made their way into the hobby through a Canadian coin dealer in the 1970s.
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December 20th, 2008, 2:27 am #16

Rec'd the Winter 2008 SGC Collector Magazine today with the article on these 6 recently discovered cards. Is it just me but does the photo on the Dazzy Vance card look like Burleigh Grimes instead of Ol' Daz?
Dennis, fair enough. I'm not sure how this will turn out but here's a scan of the magazine photo.
ok I just got a warm friendly email from Mr. Wentz. So my apologies to the Wentz brothers as I did not know they found them nor have I researched any provenance. I just don't like the looks of the card and all I have is gut feeling and no facts at all on my side. It was just an opinion and God all of you know I have been wrong before. All I have seen was this 1 post and this 1 card. Yes the Alpha's were brought to the Industry in 1992. D303 Mother's Bread has been around since the beginning of time and what 1912 uncataloged W series Wagner did I miss? Can new stuff be found in today's world? Absolutely! Could these qualify as a new neat discovery of a truly vintage item? Absolutely.



Please post the other cards pictures and the backs and the provenance, I would love to educate myself.



I am just stating that I don't like the looks of the card pictured here. I also didn't like the looks of the paper thin Ruth strip card numbered #1 and I was quickly corrected by my good friend Lew Lipset that it was good and has been around forever.



I know this may hurt my fan club but I really don't know everything and am constantly learning as I go. Again, no harm meant to the Wentz brothers who are friends of mine.



Sincerely,



Dan Mckee

edited to remove that damn signature I have for some reason.
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December 20th, 2008, 3:20 am #17

Rec'd the Winter 2008 SGC Collector Magazine today with the article on these 6 recently discovered cards. Is it just me but does the photo on the Dazzy Vance card look like Burleigh Grimes instead of Ol' Daz?
Dennis, fair enough. I'm not sure how this will turn out but here's a scan of the magazine photo.
I wasn't questioning the cards, just the date attributed to them, based on Vance's name being used. It is most unlikely a guy who was out with a bad arm for a couple of years would have had his name in a set like that. As far as tne northwest/PCL connection, nice idea but doesn't fit the facts. Vance was with Memphis then New Orleans in 1920 when he had an arm injury and an operation. Vance spent 1921 with New Orleans in the Southern Association. Vance went 21-11 in 1921 and was bought by the Dodgers.

Gandil wasn't really disgraced until the summer of 1921, when the Black Sox trial took place. Prior to that he was out of the majors because he could not reach a financial accord with the Sox and went home to California.

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Joined: November 26th, 2008, 6:07 pm

December 20th, 2008, 3:27 am #18

Rec'd the Winter 2008 SGC Collector Magazine today with the article on these 6 recently discovered cards. Is it just me but does the photo on the Dazzy Vance card look like Burleigh Grimes instead of Ol' Daz?
Dennis, fair enough. I'm not sure how this will turn out but here's a scan of the magazine photo.
Vance was with Sacramento in 1919 after a brief stint with the Yankees in 1918. Not sure when he received his papers from Sacramento, but he was a major cog in their 1919 team and a very popular player.

What type of stock are the cards made out of?
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Joined: December 13th, 2004, 5:18 am

December 20th, 2008, 3:50 am #19

Rec'd the Winter 2008 SGC Collector Magazine today with the article on these 6 recently discovered cards. Is it just me but does the photo on the Dazzy Vance card look like Burleigh Grimes instead of Ol' Daz?
Dennis, fair enough. I'm not sure how this will turn out but here's a scan of the magazine photo.
I have two photos of Dazzy Vance when he was with New Orleans in 1920-21











These came from his own family photo album...it is my opinion that the card pictured above is NOT Dazzy.
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Joined: October 1st, 2008, 4:13 am

December 20th, 2008, 5:16 am #20

Rec'd the Winter 2008 SGC Collector Magazine today with the article on these 6 recently discovered cards. Is it just me but does the photo on the Dazzy Vance card look like Burleigh Grimes instead of Ol' Daz?
Dennis, fair enough. I'm not sure how this will turn out but here's a scan of the magazine photo.
it sure looks alot more like Grimes than Vance to me. Although I never seem to do real well at these face match games, the pose and face look alot like the image used for Grimes in the 1923 W572 set, a trimmed example of which is currently on ebay: (maybe someone can place the scans side by side--it's not in my skill set)
http://cgi.ebay.com/1923-W572-35-Burlei ... 240%3A1318

If it is Grimes, then it's logical to assume that someone used the wrong Brooklyn pitcher for this card, thinking Grimes was Vance. If so, that would date the card to 1922 or later, as they were not teammates before then.
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