Lc Pentagon Research Team: There Was A Plane!


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Lc Pentagon Research Team: There Was A Plane!

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Aug 25 2006, 05:10 PM #1

Hey guys,

I'm back and have some interesting news for you all.

THERE WAS A LARGE PLANE SEEN DIVING TOWARDS THE PENTAGON!

We have interviewed several eyewitnesses who saw it.

We interviewed:

-Madelyn Zackem, VDOT (not on camera)

-Edward and Shenki, two japanese brothers from an auto shop on Columbia Pike (on camera)

-A couple of women from an arlington neighborhood. (one on camera, the other on the phone)

-Citgo manager


Madelyn was an interesting interview. She showed us where she was sitting when she saw the plane. The building that the plane skimmed over is not the STC building per se, but was actually a building next to it, a small two story brick unit (Circled in red, hidden behind trees, in between small white house and STC office). Her account placed the plane "inches" from the roof of this small building. With the left tilted down. Unfortunately, this would place it BELOW treeop level which we all know is impossible. She said it was "grey", then said "silver". She said she could see the cockpit.



Here is the building she claimed it came over (only by inches!), that is the bench she was sitting on, which was actually moved to the grass area where this photo was taken:




(Note the 100' tower and STC building next to the brick house)




Edward and Shinki were very informative also. Edward actually went outside when they heard the jet approacing and actually saw the plane. They placed it close to that 100 ft tower in the pictures. They were confused and thought since they saw the men working on the tower the next day that they believed the plane hit the tower. But it does appear that this plane did miss this tower. Edward said it barely cleared the last wing of the Navy Annex. He described it as a "big grey plane with black wings".


Shinki


Edward

Here is also a shot from Thomas Trapasso's old address at 1400 S. Barton. He was allegedly sitting on his deck when the plane flew over "treetop" level or 300 ft depending on what you are reading:



Here is a shot from Hoffman Boston elementary, at 1415 South Queen Street Arlington VA 22204, where teacher Anne Krug claims to have seen the low flying plane:



Right around the corner from here, we started interviewing people who may have saw the plane. That's when we found the two women who were witnesses or knew a witness.

The two women in the neighborhood saw the plane also. The first one actually saw it and said it was a white plane with no markings, said it was descending very fast. She saw it with her cousin and her father. Her neighbor's nanny saw it also. Russell spoke with her on the phone, she couldn't add anything helpful other than there was a plane, couldn't describe what it looked like, because it was moving too fast. She said it felt like it was right over the house or was going to fall on the house.

The Citgo manager said her employee places the plane on the OTHER SIDE of the Citgo, the left side or west side (blue line), she is "90% sure", there is a follow-up due on this...



So spread the word. There was a plane at least as far back as the Sheraton, Navy Annex, and Citgo gas (WRONG SIDE!!)

Flyover anyone? [wavetowel]

There is more to come! Stay tuned.
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Aug 25 2006, 05:57 PM #2

Good going man!!!

Can't wait to see the follow-ups. :D
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Aug 25 2006, 06:01 PM #3

A flyover to establish eyewitness reports at the pentagon site...Sounds completely plausible and makes a great deal of sense in developing a story to mislead the public.

Good stuff [thumbsup]
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Aug 25 2006, 06:22 PM #4

Thanks guys.

Yeah this is what needs to be done. I am tired of theorizing. We need to get answers.

And don't worry people, just because there was a large plane seen, doesn't mean that one hit the building.
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Aug 25 2006, 06:50 PM #5

Random theory: Could it have been a plane to fly over the pentagon and fire a missile?
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Aug 25 2006, 07:14 PM #6

So can you get some eyewitness accounts from the opposite side of the pentagon if the plane flew over? East side of Potomac is it not?
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Aug 25 2006, 07:19 PM #7

Dr.SharK @ Aug 25 2006, 06:50 PM wrote: Random theory: Could it have been a plane to fly over the pentagon and fire a missile?
Maybe, but I doubt it.
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Aug 25 2006, 07:20 PM #8

demo-crazy @ Aug 25 2006, 07:14 PM wrote: So can you get some eyewitness accounts from the opposite side of the pentagon if the plane flew over? East side of Potomac is it not?
I don't think it landed at Reagan.

I think it was the big white plane seen over Washington and Shanksville.
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Aug 25 2006, 07:51 PM #9

I've always felt that whatever made those holes in the Pentagon was not a 757. The inner hole, being almost perfectly round looks like a missile did it. Eyewitnesses reported smelling cordite, an explosive. Some reported seeing a missile, I believe. BUT, I also believe that there certainly was some sort of aircraft there at the same time... there may have been so many things going on at once to confuse all of the witnesses that we may never get a complete and accurate account of what occurred.... People saw a helicopter, a small commuter plane, a C-130, a 757, a missile, a white jet, a corporate jet, etc etc.... I am coming to the conclusion that many things happened at once to completely confuse everyone, to create a huge diversionary tactic... so when people, like us, started digging, the powers that be could start pulling out these eyewitnesses and alternative events to lead everyone away from what actually happened. I am sure that they knew full well that there would be citizens eventually coming out against the official version of events, and that all of these things were done on that day to be used when the time came.... and that time is now, and here we are questioning those very events.... my .02 $
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Aug 25 2006, 10:07 PM #10

kingair001 @ Aug 25 2006, 12:51 PM wrote: I've always felt that whatever made those holes in the Pentagon was not a 757. The inner hole, being almost perfectly round looks like a missile did it. Eyewitnesses reported smelling cordite, an explosive. Some reported seeing a missile, I believe. BUT, I also believe that there certainly was some sort of aircraft there at the same time... there may have been so many things going on at once to confuse all of the witnesses that we may never get a complete and accurate account of what occurred.... People saw a helicopter, a small commuter plane, a C-130, a 757, a missile, a white jet, a corporate jet, etc etc.... I am coming to the conclusion that many things happened at once to completely confuse everyone, to create a huge diversionary tactic... so when people, like us, started digging, the powers that be could start pulling out these eyewitnesses and alternative events to lead everyone away from what actually happened. I am sure that they knew full well that there would be citizens eventually coming out against the official version of events, and that all of these things were done on that day to be used when the time came.... and that time is now, and here we are questioning those very events.... my .02 $
There were also measurements of radiation. Speculated from depleted uranium or the like by figures like Leuren Moret, Geological Scientist and
International Radiation Expert and others.

I believe the 9:32am explosion before impact at the Pentagon played a role in some of the holes in the Pentagon.

#30 on http://TruthSeeker.us goes into greater detail and I beleive LCFC covers the 9:32am explosion in some detail.
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Aug 25 2006, 11:21 PM #11

The fact that it was quite easy for us to find random and unpublished eyewitnesses to the plane made it quite convincing and hard to deny that one flew over.

The fact that we weren't able to reconcile the physical evidence with these accounts (namely the light poles lining up with the flight paths) and have even had the most important pole witness (Lloyd) shown to be, well, in another dimension if you will.....can only lead us to consider alternative ideas such as a flyover.

I suppose they figured the more ludicrous the story the less likely we would be to question it.

They figured wrong.

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Aug 28 2006, 12:49 AM #12

Pin this.
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Aug 29 2006, 01:40 AM #13

your saying its a plane? am i the only one in the truthseeker movement beleives its a Tomahawk missile? err im gonng make a post in why its a missile!



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Aug 29 2006, 01:04 PM #14

Braheem @ Aug 29 2006, 01:40 AM wrote: your saying its a plane? am i the only one in the truthseeker movement beleives its a Tomahawk missile? err im gonng make a post in why its a missile!
No, I am not saying it is a plane that hit the building, relax.

There is no evidence of a missile anywhere, not even to make the damage. Maybe this plane fired a missile or a drone as it passed over, or the trailer was prepositioned to fire one. But there was a plane. Please dude. Let this thread be what it is meant to be, the factual evidence of a plane in the immediate area of the Pentagon.
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Aug 29 2006, 02:14 PM #15

first off, way to go,

second.....how does this match up with the flight data recorder?
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Aug 29 2006, 03:25 PM #16

it sounds like it matches up rather well, with the fdr coming from the plane that actually made the flyover. depending on whose opinuion you take, the fdr shows that its corresponding plane was flying between 180 and 500 ft approx 2 seconds before officail impact., and that it was flying faster than it should have been for a 757. add that to the nebulous footage of another plane that may or may not have been shot from ANC and it becomes very tantalizing.
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Aug 29 2006, 03:36 PM #17

Skarlet (webmaster of punkprincess.com)
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"...it was headed straight for the building. It made no sense...A huge jet. Then it was gone. A massive hole in the side of the Pentagon gushed smoke. The noise was beyond description. The smell seemed to singe the inside of my nose....Buildings don't eat planes. That plane, it just vanished. There should have been parts on the ground. It should have rained parts on my car. The airplane didn't crash. Where are the parts? That's the conversation I had with myself on the way to work...There seems to be no footage of the crash, only the site....There was a plane. It didn't go over the building...I want to see footage of the crash. I want to make it make sense."
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Aug 29 2006, 04:24 PM #18

Merc @ Aug 29 2006, 03:36 PM wrote:
Skarlet (webmaster of punkprincess.com)
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"...it was headed straight for the building. It made no sense...A huge jet. Then it was gone. A massive hole in the side of the Pentagon gushed smoke. The noise was beyond description. The smell seemed to singe the inside of my nose....Buildings don't eat planes. That plane, it just vanished. There should have been parts on the ground. It should have rained parts on my car. The airplane didn't crash. Where are the parts? That's the conversation I had with myself on the way to work...There seems to be no footage of the crash, only the site....There was a plane. It didn't go over the building...I want to see footage of the crash. I want to make it make sense."
gave me a chill reading that.....

"it disapeared into the building"

didnt the people in the hotel watch the video before the fbi took it?
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Aug 29 2006, 05:22 PM #19

The article I remember stated that they watched it several times (dumbstruck) before agents "came in the room" and confiscated the tape post haste. Never to be seen again.

Whether it occured at 9:45, 10:15, or later I'm not sure.
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Aug 29 2006, 05:55 PM #20

Merc @ Aug 29 2006, 09:36 AM wrote:
Skarlet (webmaster of punkprincess.com)
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"...it was headed straight for the building. It made no sense...A huge jet. Then it was gone. A massive hole in the side of the Pentagon gushed smoke."
But the "hole" didn't appear at first. <_< It took some time to happen.






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Aug 29 2006, 05:57 PM #21

It wasn't the Sheraton. It was supposed to be the Doubletree. But we saw no cameras that could have filmed it. Unless they changed things. We are waiting on word from Russell on it.
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Aug 29 2006, 06:23 PM #22

Merc @ Aug 29 2006, 05:57 PM wrote: It wasn't the Sheraton. It was supposed to be the Doubletree. But we saw no cameras that could have filmed it. Unless they changed things. We are waiting on word from Russell on it.
since you went there, i have to ask........does it even look POSSIBLE for a 757 to get inches from the ground at the pentagon?.......did it have enough room to even get that low? cause i cant imagine being able to get that low, without hitting something, i mean, any hills / valleys that would have made getting so low impossible?
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Aug 30 2006, 07:59 AM #23

i'm still thinking.. "so where are the damages caused by the wings?" A plane with wings do not make a straight hole...
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Aug 30 2006, 01:40 PM #24

THE DECIDER @ Aug 29 2006, 06:23 PM wrote:
Merc @ Aug 29 2006, 05:57 PM wrote: It wasn't the Sheraton. It was supposed to be the Doubletree. But we saw no cameras that could have filmed it. Unless they changed things. We are waiting on word from Russell on it.
since you went there, i have to ask........does it even look POSSIBLE for a 757 to get inches from the ground at the pentagon?.......did it have enough room to even get that low? cause i cant imagine being able to get that low, without hitting something, i mean, any hills / valleys that would have made getting so low impossible?
No it doesn't look possible. I highly suggest you go there for yourself and see. I recommend everybody do this. It looks a lot different, there is a wall and fence type deal. And there was a tent. You can't even see the lawn from the highway. But no, I still don't see it, especially when you take into consideration the poles on the loop.
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anti&#045;bush @ Aug 30 2006, 07:59 AM wrote: i'm still thinking.. "so where are the damages caused by the wings?" A plane with wings do not make a straight hole...
That's because the 757 didn't make the hole.

It is looking like a flyover.

If we can confirm the Citgo employee's account of the plane being on the Northwest side of the Gas Station (blue line). Then the light pole flight path doesn't match up. Although it would match up with the FDR.

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Aug 30 2006, 05:13 PM #26

Great work indeed. I'm wondering if there might be camera footage available from the opposite (east?) side of the Pentagon. Any hotels etc cams that might have caught the flyover.

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Aug 30 2006, 05:58 PM #27

TO MERC

I have a question: (first of all great work, for sure)

That red line you show (I understand the blue line represents the fly over) that's supposed to be the line of attack -- correct? Can you recall what is located in that particular area, I mean if we were to back up along that red line away from the Pentagon -- where would it take us? Anything interesting along the path that you can see or know about? I'm trying to get a visual in my head as to what's in that particular direction and I'm lost again. Thanks.

Edited to add: I went and pulled up Google Earth and am right now looking down at the Pentagon; based upon what your red line indicates (best I can determine jumping back and forth between the two) it seems to originate close to the Navy Annex or at least passes right close to it. I'm pretty sure those eight-connected finger buildings is the Annex (I've driven by there many times). But again it's hard to get my bearings not knowing exactly that (red line) path of attack. I mention this only because of the possibility still in my own mind of a radio controlled missile -- if it was that, it would have to have come from somewhere (surely the safest place to fire off a missile from the ground would be at a military reservation, don't you think so?) -- and when I say ground think roof top; those finger buildings of the Annex sit on higher ground (overlooking the Pentagon -- about 1/2 mile distant) if I'm not mistaken, a perfect sight-of-alignment which might be appropriate for either wire-controlled or radio-controlled operation (something like the DRAGON or similar). Seems reasonable to me to have an airplane fly over for distraction while someone at another angle fires off a missile about the time the plane passes low over the Pentagon. But maybe not.
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Aug 30 2006, 06:47 PM #28

ugmold @ Aug 30 2006, 05:13 PM wrote: Great work indeed. I'm wondering if there might be camera footage available from the opposite (east?) side of the Pentagon. Any hotels etc cams that might have caught the flyover.

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No idea. Still trying to figure that one out.
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JerryB9105 @ Aug 30 2006, 05:58 PM wrote: TO MERC

I have a question: (first of all great work, for sure)

That red line you show (I understand the blue line represents the fly over) that's supposed to be the line of attack -- correct? Can you recall what is located in that particular area, I mean if we were to back up along that red line away from the Pentagon -- where would it take us? Anything interesting along the path that you can see or know about? I'm trying to get a visual in my head as to what's in that particular direction and I'm lost again. Thanks.

Edited to add: I went and pulled up Google Earth and am right now looking down at the Pentagon; based upon what your red line indicates (best I can determine jumping back and forth between the two) it seems to originate close to the Navy Annex or at least passes right close to it. I'm pretty sure those eight-connected finger buildings is the Annex (I've driven by there many times). But again it's hard to get my bearings not knowing exactly that (red line) path of attack. I mention this only because of the possibility still in my own mind of a radio controlled missile -- if it was that, it would have to have come from somewhere (surely the safest place to fire off a missile from the ground would be at a military reservation, don't you think so?) -- and when I say ground think roof top; those finger buildings of the Annex sit on higher ground (overlooking the Pentagon) if I'm not mistaken, a perfect sight-of-alignment which might be appropriate for either wire-controlled or radio-controlled operation (something like the DRAGON or similar). Seems reasonable to me to have an airplane fly over for distraction while someone at another angle fires off a missile about the time the plane passes low over the Pentagon. But maybe not.
Biggest obstacles were the two poles on the loop. You can see those in the pic with the red line.
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Aug 30 2006, 06:52 PM #30

Hey Merc,

I did a disk recovery and got the "grassy knoll" shots that were deleted by you know who!


This is the view from the right side of the citgo up on the hill.

It gives you a better idea of how unlevel the terrain is. The citgo station itself is at the bottom of steep hill so the plane would have had to make a very sharp, quick, and perfect decent. When you see it all in person it's quite hard to believe.

The light pole sticking out of the bush to the right of the bridge was the first one hit that supposedly went into Lloyd's cab.

The bottom pic gives you a view of the same type of pole so you can gauge how big it is.


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