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Which Religion Came First ?

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14 Jun 2007, 04:18 #1


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which came first in istanbul ? christianity, islam, or another religion ?

Hagia Sophia, now known as the Ayasofya Museum, was the greatest
Christian church of the Middle Ages,later converted into an imperial mosque
in 1453 by the Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II, and into a museum in 1935. It
is located in Istanbul, Turkey, on the Turkish Thrace. It is regularly
considered one of the greatest and most beautiful buildings in history.
Its conquest by the Ottomans at the fall of Constantinople is considered one
of the great tragedies of Christianity by the Greek Orthodox faithful.

The name comes from the Greek name Ἁγία Σοφία, a contraction of
Ναός τῆς Ἁγίας τοῦ Θεοῦ Σοφίας, meaning "Church of the Holy Wisdom of God".
It is also known as Sancta Sophia in Latin and Ayasofya in Turkish. Although it
is sometimes called "Saint Sophia" in English, or similar terms in other
languages, it is not named after any saint named Sophia — the Greek word sophia means "wisdom."

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14 Jun 2007, 04:40 #2

Looks like we have a proffesor of religious theology on LooseChange.com.

"The intellect is better than desire, for the intellect makes you a king over your destiny, and desire makes you a slave of your destiny.

One who considers himself to be all-knowing will surely suffer on account of his ignorance

'Ask in order to understand, and do not ask in order to find fault, for surely the ignorant man who wants to learn resembles a man of knowledge, and surely a man of knowledge who wants to be difficult resembles an ignorant man who wants to find fault. '
-Sayings of Ali Ibn Abu Talib(as)

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14 Jun 2007, 04:43 #3

Myths are stories made up by men that attempt toexplain why the world is the way it is. All cultures have them. Throughout history, artists have been inspired by myths and legends and have given them visual form.

Through the ages, only art forms have stood the test of time. Sometimes these works of art are the only surviving record of what particular cultures believed and valued. But even where written records or oral traditions exist.

These art forms are proof of the roll religion played in controlling entire civilizations. which is why questions posed to candidates during presidential debates concerning religion was not surprising, even though such a topic does not fit in to written law for governing this democracy

We must make people realize that RELIGION should not be an issue when
ELECTING a president or JUDGING another culture, one religion is no different than any another ...all original forms of religion have the same ORIGIN

From the earliest known evidence of human religion by Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis around 100,000 years ago to the present day, religion continues to be a very influential aspect of human lives.

Today, there are numerous challenges and problems faced by humans from every possible background, location and social class. Every day people must face issues of health, safety and mortality. It is because of these daily challenges that religion continues to exist. Religion is the universal tool for explaining things which we do not understand through the context the known physical world.

Although there are countless religions, each different from the other, they all serve the same purpose. Each answers questions which all humans seem to be programmed to ask: Why are we here? What happens when I die? How shall I live my life? More often than not, religion has been made an issue when deciding how
another culture is treated.

Religion helps us to transmit our values from one generation to another, and influences the way we interact with the natural environment. Influences the way we act toward one another, teaches us about one another. It teaches us how to see ourselves in light of the universe and gives purpose and meaning to life.

Whether you are a member of a particular religious group, unsure of what you should believe, or do not have any religious beliefs, this topic will introduce you to the world's six major religions, and attempt to explain each belief. They are not meant to convert, or to be the synopsis of every aspect of the religion they explain. They are intended to serve as an introduction, to whet your appetite for further study and to help you understand those around you better.

With our global society, it is likely that in your lifetime you will meet people from every corner of the planet. Understanding the religious beliefs of these people is one of the many steps which ALL OF US must take in order to someday prosper together in peace.

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In anthropology, animism can be considered to be the original human
religion, being defined simply as belief in the existence of spiritual beings.
It dates back to the earliest humans and continues to exist today, making it
the oldest form of religious belief on Earth.

It is characteristic of aboriginal and native cultures, yet it can be practiced
by anyone who believes in spirituality but does not proscribe to any
specific organized religion. The basis for animism is acknowledgment that
there is a spiritual realm which humans share the universe with. The
concepts that humans possess souls and that souls have life apart from
human bodies before and after death are central to animism, along with the
ideas that animals, plants, and celestial bodies have spirits.

Animistic gods often are immortalized by mythology explaining the creation
of fire, wind, water, man, animals, and other natural earthly things.
Although specific beliefs of animism vary widely, similarities between
the characteristics of gods and goddesses and rituals practiced by
animistic societies exist. The presence of holy men or women, visions,
trancing, dancing, sacred items, and sacred spaces for worship, and
the connection felt to the spirits of ancestors are characteristic of
animistic societies.

The term animism is derived from the Latin word anima meaning breath or
soul. The belief of animism is probably one of man's oldest beliefs, with its
origin most likely dating to the Paleolithic age. From its earliest beginnings
it was a belief that a soul or spirit existed in every object, even if it was
inanimate. In a future state this soul or spirit would exist as part of an
immaterial soul. The spirit, therefore, was thought to be universal.

There has been sharp divisions of thought as to the original concept of
animism held by primitive peoples. An British anthropologist Sir Edward
Burnett Tylor in his "Primitive Culture" (1871) defined animism "as a
general belief in spiritual beings and considered it 'a minimum definition
of religion.'" He stated all religions from the simplest to the most
complexed shared some sort of animistic belief. According to him
primitive peoples, defined as those without a written tradition, believed
the spirits or souls caused life in human beings. They pictured these souls
as vapors or shadows going from one body to another. The souls not only
passed between human beings but into, plants, animals and inanimate objects
as well.

Tylor reasoned primitive man arrived at his animistic belief to help him explain
the causes of sleep, dreams, and death. There naturally aroused a need
to distinguish between an individual who was awake and one who was asleep,
or an individual who lived and one who did not. Also there was a need to give
a reason for the pictures some saw when they slept. The spirits were the
early man's explanations.

Tylor was criticized by another British anthropologist Robert Ranulph Marett
(1866-1943) who was convinced that primitive man had not developed
the intellectual to form even such simplistic explanations as Tylor proposed.
Marett suggested early religion was more emotional and intuitional in

Sirens (SYE-rinz). Sweetly singing enchantresses, part woman, part bird,
who lured sailors to their doom. mythology also gave them wings, to help the
god of the underworld

He theorized that early man recognized some inanimate objects because they
had some particular characteristic or behaved in some unusual way
which mysteriously made them seem alive. He believed early man treated
all animate objects as having a life and will of their own, but they
never distinguished the soul as separate from the body, and could enter or
leave the body. Marett conceded early man possessed the belief of animism,
but it developed from the idea that some objects seemed to be alive like man.

It is insignificant how men and women gained the belief that a spirit or
soul resides in all objects it is historically evident that they did. Trees and
plants were worshiped as totems or because of their usefulness and beauty.
In many cultures certain trees and plants have been feared.

In some ancient cultures "trees were generally regarded as maternal deities
or forest spirits, to be respected even when their lives were sacrificed for
human use (pagan woodcutters never felled a tree without first begging
its forgiveness). Female tree spirits live on in myth and folklore as dryads,
the Greek version of the tree-worshiping druid priestesses."

Plants and trees have been considered sacred by themselves because, as
some have thought, they are home to certain spirits. Both the soma plant of
India and the coca shrub of Peru are worshiped for the intoxicating properties
of the products made from them. Field crops, thought to harbor spirits
of infertility, has been honored by ancient tribesmen and peasants
throughout Europe. Traces of these cults can still be found.

In Slavic mythology, a Rusalka (Polish Rusałka, Russian Rusalka) was a
female ghost, water nymph, succubus or mermaid-like demon that dwelled i
n a lake. She was considered a being of evil, or нечистая сила
(nechistaya sila, "unclean force"). The ghostly version is the soul of a
young woman who had died in or near a lake (many of these rusalki had
been murdered by lovers) and came to haunt that lake; this undead Rusałka
is not invariably malevolent, and will be allowed to die in peace if her death
is avenged.
The above describes nature worshipers among which many occultists
are numbered. They view life as being in everything, and everything, even
man, supporting life. Life is sacred -- all life. "One of the foremost
characteristics of Neo-Paganism (or occultism) is the return to the ancient
idea that there is no distinction between the spiritual and material, sacred
and secular." Everything is still one as it was to primitive man.

Mazu, mortal name Lîm Be̍k-niû (S. Min) or Lín Mòniáng (Mandarin) (林默娘),
is the Taoist goddess of the Sea who protects fishermen and sailors, and is revered as the patron saint who protects East Asians who are associated with
the ocean.

She is extremely popular among the Taiwanese, Fujianese, Cantonese,
Teochew, and Vietnamese people, who have cultures strongly linked to the
sea. The Matsu Islands are named after her

Historians theorize that Centaurs first evolved to better understand the
spirit relationship between man and horse, over tme, evolved into a
belief system.BATTLE OF THE CENTAURS in greek mythology

The battle of the Centaurs and the Lapiths was a subject that was used
repeatedly in ancient art. A fresco in Pompeii depicts the Pirithous receiving
the Centaurs; a famous François vase depicts the Lapiths, armed with
lances, fighting against the Centaurs, who defend themselves with rocks
and branches; of the sculptures that depict the battle, the most famous are
those on the west wing of the Temple of Zeus in Olympia, and the metopes of
the Parthenon.

The goddesses of music, poetry, the arts, and science. The daughters of Zeus.

The Muses sat near the throne of Zeus, king of the gods, and sang of
his greatness and of the origin of the world and its inhabitants and the
glorious deeds of the great heroes. From their name words such as
music, museum, mosaic are derived.

The Muses of mythology were venerated throughout the world, but more so
in those areas with many wells, woodland waters and springs, especially the
sea. Always in the personage of female,they were said to dwell in places that
were sacred to them(musagetes).

Hades was the lord of the dead and ruler of the nether world, which is referred
to as the domain of Hades or, by transference, as Hades alone. He is the son
of Cronus and Rhea. When the three sons of Cronus divided the world
among each other, Hades was given the underworld, while his brothers Zeus
and Poseidon took the upperworld and the sea respectively.

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"All the gods are dead except the god of war".

- Eldridge Cleaver


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that energy seems to be the strongest. war is fed by religious intollerance. almost any force can start a war, but something has to feed it. when researching WAR, ancient civilizations ALL SHARED ONE COMMON DENIMINATOR, god of war, ruler of the underworld. more fear and respect was given that god above all others within a belief system

In older Greek myths, Hades is the misty and gloomy[2] abode of the dead, where all mortals go. There is no reward or special punishment in this Hades, akin to the Hebrew sheol. In later Greek philosophy appeared the idea that all mortals are judged after death and rewarded or cursed

greek version of hades on a chariot claiming a soul

Charon and Psyche" by Neide. The dead were ferried across the river Styx into Hades by Charon, the mythological boatkeeper In its earlier depictions, the underworld kingdom of Hades was such a dank and dark and moldering place that were it laid open to the heavens, even the gods themselves would turn away in disgust.

each culture was so obscessed with war,WAS SO DOMINATED BY WAR, that they each found it necessary to worship a "GOD OF WAR"

Culture Gods and Goddess of War :
Agasaya Semitic goddess
Ah Chuy Kak Maya god
Ah Cun Can Maya god
Ah Hulneb Maya god
Ahulane Maya god
Anahita Persian goddess
Anath Semitic goddess
Andraste Celtic goddess
Ankt Egypt goddess
Anouke Egypt goddess
Aray Armenia god
Ares Greece god
Ashtart Babylonia goddess
Ashur Assyria god
Athena Greece goddess
Badb Celtic goddess
Beg-tse Tibet god
Belatu-Cadros Celtic god
Bellona Rome goddess
Bishamon Japan god
Bugid Y Aiba Haiti god
Buluc Chabtan Maya god
Burijas Kassites god
Camaxtli Aztec god
Camulus Gaul god
Cariocienus Hispanic god
Caswallawn Celtic god
Chemosh Moabite god
Dev Persia god
Donar Teutonic god
Ekchuah Maya god
Enyalius Sparta god
Enyo Greece goddess
Erra Babylonia god
Eshara Chaldean goddess
Futsu-Nushi-no-Kami Japan god
Gu Dahomey god
Guan-di Taoist god
Gun Africa god
Hachiman Shinto god
Hadur Hungary god
Huitzilopochtli Aztec god
Ictinike Native American god
Inanna Sumer goddess
Indra Hindu god
Irmin Teutonic god
Jarovit Slavic god
Karttikeya Hindu god
Korrawi Tamil goddess
Kukailimoku Hawaiian god
Laran Etruscan god
Mars Rome god
Maru Polynesian/Maori god
Menhit Egypt goddess
Menthu Egypt god
Mentu Egypt god
Mextli Mexico god
Minerva Rome goddess
Mixcoatl Aztec god
Morrigan Celtic goddess
Murukan Tamil god
Nacon Maya god
Nanaja Sumer goddess
Neith Egypt goddess
Ninurta Babylonia god
Ogoun Haiti god
Oro Tahiti god
Resef Phoenician god
Reshep Syria god
Rugiviet Slavic god
Sakhmet Egypt goddess
Samulayo Fiji god
Segomo Gaul god
Septu Egypt god
Seth Egypt god
Svantetit Slavic god
Svetovit Slavic god
Teutates Celtic god
Triglav Slavic god
Tu Polynesian god
Tu Matauenga Polynesian god
Turris Finland god
Tyr Germanic god
Wepwawet Egypt god
Wurukatte Hittite god
Zababa Akkad god
Zroya Slavonic goddess

LATE in the history of civilization, DIVINE GODS OF PEACE were recognized, but
ultimately the message was twisted to justify yet ANOTHER REASON FOR WAR
now its "how dare you blastpheme my god, how dare you blastpheme my prophet"
as an excuse for WAR, man's natural tendency seems unvanquished after all.
even more frequently, man has altered written text from the origin of peaceful religion to accomodate this compulsion for war, leading hapless followers into peril.

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15 Jun 2007, 14:15 #8

Surely there's a historical answer to the topic question? There is one correct answer, it's not an opinion based subject.

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15 Jun 2007, 15:18 #9

‘religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world . . . It is the opium of the people’

Karl Marx

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15 Jun 2007, 15:23 #10

alexvegas @ Jun 16 2007, 12:15 AM wrote: Surely there's a historical answer to the topic question? There is one correct answer, it's not an opinion based subject.
Nice avatar. . .

more like it here....


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I think I put some on there a while back too

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GunStar1 @ Jun 15 2007, 03:18 PM wrote: ‘religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world . . . It is the opium of the people’

Karl Marx
That's funny coming from a demon Karl Marx.

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‘religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world . . . It is the opium of the people’

Karl Marx
that would explain why republicans are walking around in a daze, opium, I thought it was alien abduction of our women, they've been coming around here for years

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alive and still talking @ Jun 16 2007, 03:36 AM wrote: I thought it was alien abduction of our women, they've been coming around here for years
maybe we just can't satisfy them!


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“What then does unite us? Certainly the common desire to be free and independent, but there is something more vital above and beyond that, and that is the common link that unites us - that distinguishes us from our enemies - a belief in God - in the life of the spirit as against the materialism and atheism that joins together the primitives who seek to destroy us and the things for which we stand.

This is the common belief and force that binds us - east and west - free and oppressed. This is the power that must animate our thoughts and actions.”


http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Re ... 3FEB01.htm

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alive and still talking @ Jun 14 2007, 04:43 AM wrote: From the earliest known evidence of human religion by Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis around 100,000 years ago to the present day, religion continues to be a very influential aspect of human lives.
Your poll infers there are no true religions and no creator, both in error.

A famous anatomist, Dr. Rudolph Virchow, declared, in 1958, that the primitive features of the Neanderthal people were not due to the fact that these people were subhuman, but were due to diseases, or pathological conditions. He pointed out that the skeleton discovered in France was of an old man who couldn’t walk upright because he had a bad case of arthritis! Dr. Virchow declared, further, that all of these people suffered severely from rickets (a condition caused by the lack of Vitamin D) which causes bones to become soft and deformed. For many years, however, evolutionists paid no attention to what Dr. Virchow was saying, because they wanted Neanderthal Man to be a true subhuman ancestor of man.

Eventually, however, other skeletons of Neanderthal people were found that were fully erect, and it was established, by medical research, that the skeleton found in France was, indeed, that of an arthritic old man. X-rays of the fossil bones and teeth showed, just as Dr. Virchow had declared, that all of the Neanderthal people had rickets. Scientists finally concluded that all of the so-called primitive features of the Neanderthal people were due to pathological conditions, or diseases. Museums have removed the old exhibits of Neanderthal people and have replaced them with new exhibits showing the Neanderthal people looking very human, and about 30 years ago, two scientists published an article about Neanderthal people in which they declared that if Neanderthal Man were given a shave, a haircut, and a bath, put into a business suit, and placed on the New York subway, no one would take a second look!
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