Treated Unfairly?

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Treated Unfairly?

ihatecreditors
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Jan 14 2008, 09:07 PM #1

you think.

I put up political flyers one night weeks ago. It was a very cold and also a bit windy night. I put up about 30 or so flyers on electrical poles which took me about 30+ minutes.

Towards the end of my stops, (I wasn't putting many up, just a few and then call it a night) I was stopped by a police officer. I was at a car wash place that is always open 24 hours a day. I was putting up my last 3 Ron Paul plain white paper signs. He said "What are you doing?" I said, "Hanging up these Ron Paul signs, hes running for President.". He followed with, "Do you work here?" I said "No." He said, "you do realise this is private property"? I then realized my fault and said, "I was very sorry and I was in a rush and didn't realize it". He said, "Did you put any more up?" I said "Yes, on some light poles" and named the two locations with in the city. He said, "You know there is a city ordinance that says you can't have anything hanging from the poles right"?

I said "Oh, strange I didn't know that. I know (XXXXX The place I live) city has strange ordinances." And I explained to him how I knew about the ordinance in the city that says, you can't have "For Sale" signs in your vehicle. I said, "I see a lot of lost animal signs hanging up." He kinda gave a gesture of "Yeah I know". It sort of seemed like a gesture of, yeah we let that slide. I then told him, which is true, I went to the library to look up Missouri Law, County Law, and City Law. But upon entering into the library and asking about getting a card. They said, "You need a new Drivers license with your current address, and some type of mail that has your name and address on it." So, I told him, I was interested in learning the laws but was unable to.
He took down all my information and said to me, "If you pull down all the signs I won't write you a ticket." I pretty much said, "Deal". I showed him the paper once more and said shall he find some I forgot about let me know. And to call me, and that I would gladly come to pick them up.

Today, driving home from my very first day of college which was great by the way, I noticed about 30 paper flyers saying something about a lost kitten. I went home, grabbed my camera and I video recorded about half of them as I drove back by. I was originally going to call the police department and say something along the lines of "I feel discriminated against, and feel it is unjust I was singled out. I was told not to put up signs before on the electric poles but I see signs now that have been hanging."
I don't know how long they have been hanging there. So I decided instead of calling, I will wait and see how long it takes till the signs come down. Also, to call the person in regards to the signs and ask when they put them up and make them feel I'm a concerned citizen trying to help them. When the signs finally do come down. I'm going to ask the person if they took them down because they found the cat because I noticed the signs were down. Upon that time I'll know if the police called them or not. At that point in time I'll be able to make a determination of if what the police did to me was illegal and discrimination. They did say I would receive a ticket, and this person has their phone number on the paper. So shouldn't they call this person and tell them the same they said to me?

Tell me what you think.

Oh, almost forgot, I've seen about 2+ police officers drive by them.
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Jan 14 2008, 09:10 PM #2

I'm thinking about suing.
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Jan 14 2008, 09:11 PM #3

sounds like you are playing it very well...

the answers you get should tell you whether discrimination is taking place... if it is, I hope you tell us about it!
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Jan 14 2008, 09:21 PM #4

I just thought of another good idea. Maybe when its over, I'll talk to a lawyre and ask them about if I should hang up a sign that is protected by freedom of speech, controversial, and then see if the police will call me.

Should I?
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Jan 14 2008, 09:23 PM #5

Mitt Romney is welcoming RON PAUL SUPPORTERS at his rally.

even more friendly would be to go among Hillary Clinton supporters
and ask her to tell the media to please give Ron Paul more airtime

she would have to smile and say "you are right, it is only fair"

you see, despite the fact that she is a frontrunner, the media has been
trying to silence her too because she is a woman. and the neocon republican machine do not want a freethinking woman in power, no more than they want
your beloved ron paul in power over them

obama is being catapulted against hillary by establishment powers who do not want her in power. they want the power
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Jan 14 2008, 09:24 PM #6

;) I would just take a more stealthy approach. place them when people (cops) aren't looking...
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Come pull the sheet over my eyes
so I can sleep tonight
despite what I have seen today
I've found you guilty of a crime
of sleeping at a time
when you should have been wide awake

WIDE AWAKE!!!!!!!
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Jan 14 2008, 09:25 PM #7

Write and Op-Ed in your local non-corporate paper.
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. ... The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home." -- James Madison
"Crito, I owe a cock to Asclepius; will you remember to pay the debt?" -- last words of Socrates, recorded by Plato (Phaedo 118a, tr. B. Jowett)
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Use www.Scroogle.org more - http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/usatoday.html
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Jan 14 2008, 09:30 PM #8

if it was private property, then the police shouldn't have been responding unless there was a complaint, which I doubt there was.

they were outside of their jurisdiction and you didn't really have to admit anything, let alone talk to them in the first place.
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Come pull the sheet over my eyes
so I can sleep tonight
despite what I have seen today
I've found you guilty of a crime
of sleeping at a time
when you should have been wide awake

WIDE AWAKE!!!!!!!
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Jan 14 2008, 09:38 PM #9

Do what i do, do it at night, pre glue or tape the papers so u can just stick them up and get out of there ;)




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Jan 14 2008, 09:51 PM #10

What you should do is just obey the law and if you don't agree with it challenge it using the proper channels. Be sure to educate yourself as much as you can before challenging any law so you don't end up embarrassing yourself and setting a precedent.
if it was private property, then the police shouldn't have been responding unless there was a complaint,
So if a burglary is taking place inside a private property, the police is out of its jurisdiction and should not act? This kind of absurdity is exactly what you should avoid when challenging a particular law you don't agree with.
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Jan 14 2008, 10:11 PM #11

Yonatan @ Jan 14 2008, 09:51 PM wrote: What you should do is just obey the law and if you don't agree with it challenge it using the proper channels. Be sure to educate yourself as much as you can before challenging any law so you don't end up embarrassing yourself and setting a precedent.
if it was private property, then the police shouldn't have been responding unless there was a complaint,
So if a burglary is taking place inside a private property, the police is out of its jurisdiction and should not act? This kind of absurdity is exactly what you should avoid when challenging a particular law you don't agree with.
no, there is no law that can tell you what YOU can have up on YOUR property...

since the cop had no reason to think that our forum member was not an employee, he shouldn't have asked him if he was.
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Come pull the sheet over my eyes
so I can sleep tonight
despite what I have seen today
I've found you guilty of a crime
of sleeping at a time
when you should have been wide awake

WIDE AWAKE!!!!!!!
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Jan 14 2008, 10:16 PM #12

I believe that you can very well sue for discrimination.

"We'll let the law slide for things we like, but not Ron Paul signs."

Is your sign hurting anyone?

Isn't your write to campaign protected by the first amendment?
We are barraged into hypnotic apathy from our rulers and media-propagandists. Your mind is the last battlefield. Your voice and thoughts are the only gate out. Remind yourself of what is true when you wake up and it will hold on to you through the day. Ask questions. Demand answers.
I hate the consipercy theroyist..if u think all "oh, bush planed this or oh his lying!" THEN GET THE HELL OUT OF AMERICA U BASTARDS
[X]1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.
[X]2. Create secret prisons where torture takes place.
[X]3. Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens.
[X]4. Set up an internal surveillance system.
[X]5. Harass citizens' groups.
[X]6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release.
[X]7. Target key individuals.
[X]8. Control the press.
9. Declare all dissent to be treason.
10. Suspend the rule of law.
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Jan 14 2008, 10:21 PM #13

Actually, their city ordinance is un-Constitutional, and is therefore null. You can not have a law in America that is un-Constitutional unless you amend the Constitution.

Make that argument, along with discrimination, and you have a sure win.
We are barraged into hypnotic apathy from our rulers and media-propagandists. Your mind is the last battlefield. Your voice and thoughts are the only gate out. Remind yourself of what is true when you wake up and it will hold on to you through the day. Ask questions. Demand answers.
I hate the consipercy theroyist..if u think all "oh, bush planed this or oh his lying!" THEN GET THE HELL OUT OF AMERICA U BASTARDS
[X]1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.
[X]2. Create secret prisons where torture takes place.
[X]3. Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens.
[X]4. Set up an internal surveillance system.
[X]5. Harass citizens' groups.
[X]6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release.
[X]7. Target key individuals.
[X]8. Control the press.
9. Declare all dissent to be treason.
10. Suspend the rule of law.
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Jan 14 2008, 10:25 PM #14

I work for the utility in my town. It is about the same as a parking violation here to post signs on private property (and the poles are our private property). The field crews are instructed to tear down signs they come across. I would let it go if I were you. I would be willing to wager that a discrimination lawsuit would have about as much chance of succeeding (in this case) as a snowballs chance in hell.

The OP-ED piece isn't a bad idea though.
Experience is what you get when you're expecting something else.
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Jan 15 2008, 02:34 AM #15

no, there is no law that can tell you what YOU can have up on YOUR property...
I agree with you look-up, except for the fact that was not the owner of the property he was using to promote his political views.
since the cop had no reason to think that our forum member was not an employee, he shouldn't have asked him if he was.
Why? He, in fact, did not work there so the officer's suspicion was confirmed.
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Jan 15 2008, 03:12 AM #16

Sounds like TMI.
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Jan 15 2008, 06:10 AM #17

Well, on my way back home a few minutes ago from work. I took a tour by where the signs were. There are only two remaining. I forgot to call them earlier.

I will do so first thing tomorrow. I will say, "Hello, this is IHateCreditors I live in your area and saw your lost cat signs. I noticed today they were torn down. I was wondering if you found your cat and if not I'll continue keeping my eye out."
Depending on their answer I will respond accordingly like

1.)"Oh, the police made you take your signs down? Did they give you a ticket? Well I'll keep my eyes peeled in case I find him"
2.)"Oh you found your cat, great! How long was he missing I just noticed the signs yesterday?........
How long were the signs there did I just miss them by chance? I feel so stupid."
3.)"How long ago did your cat go missing I just noticed the signs yesterday? If they were up before that I didn't notice......
Your signs have been taken down by someone."

And no, I don't need tips on what to say and how to say it. I've got my own plan for that thanks.
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Jan 16 2008, 09:02 PM #18

I called the first telephone number minutes ago and recorded our conversation for my own record keeping. The lady did find her cat and did not mention anything about the police. I said I saw 1 or 2 signs still up, and she said 'no, uh yeah, I need to take them all down'


I noticed last night a sign in a different part of the same city that had a missing dog posted on the pole. It had an e-mail listed so I decided instead of calling I'd drop an e-mail.

The E-mail I sent to the Dog person :

Inquiry about missing dog

Hi, I just noticed your sign today and was asking myself how long it was there since I didn't notice it before. I was wondering if your dog is still missing. That way I know to keep a sharp eye out in the area and hopefully help find your pup!

Best of luck in finding your dog, I hope there is a safe return.

Thank you,

IHateCreditors
Last Monday I started college and also enrolled in one political science class (constitutional issues). I plan to eventually consult my teacher first about the situation before trying to pursue a lawsuit that way I kind of get an idea of what the legal values are and the potential here. Also to consult him about testing the waters by flyering the same exact poles with a more controversial subject then missing animals. To catch the police in the act of enforcing the law discriminatetivly.

I'm also in the process of looking up that city ordinance.
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Jan 17 2008, 12:34 AM #19

Where I live (Bristol UK, I'm not afraid to say!), fly-postering has almost become part of the culture. There are specific people who get paid by club promoters to put their posters up, and take down those of rivals etc. The police tend to be relaxed about it because the events being advertised keep potential trouble makers occupied. If you find your posters have been taken down it's more likely that you infringed on someone's patch than the police did it!

Someone's put 9/11 truth posters all over the city, advertising Loose Change, as well as normal stickers, some of which have lasted some time.

You definitely dealt with the situation a good way, I'm interested to see how it pans out.
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Jan 17 2008, 02:36 AM #20

Yea, Anti-Establishment Ron Paul ... People are Weird ... they want change but when they have an opportunity for change they beg to be enslaved - WTF ...
Are these numbers real or what -- seems like ron should be way up say 30% why are we way down here at 10%... >?< something isn't right.
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