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For You, What Is The Most Damning Evidence?

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Jun 13 2007, 09:29 AM #1

For you, what is the most damning evidence?

Total votes: 181
8(4%)
18(10%)
8(4%)
15(8%)
3(2%)
4(2%)
38(21%)
23(13%)
9(5%)
6(3%)
5(3%)
12(7%)
3(2%)
11(6%)
18(10%)

Please correct me if I'm wrong anywhere; if I have asked wrong questions.

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Jun 13 2007, 03:33 PM #2

There are quite a few things that stand out more then anything that involves the actual planes.

The Pakistani ISI connection: Lt. Gen Mahmoud Ahmad ordered the wire transfer of $100,000 to Mohamed Atta a few weeks before 9/11.

On the morning of 9/11 Lt. Gen. Ahmad was meeting with Rep. Porter Goss and Sen. Bob Graham in Washington for a breakfast meeting.

Rep. Porter Goss and Sen. Bob Graham headed up the joint Congressional inquiry into 9/11.

On 9/10/01 Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference in which he discussed $2.3 Trillion dollars in missing pentagon funds were being investigated. Unfortunately the Offices and several of the people doing the investigation were either killed or destroyed in the attack on the pentagon.

Any of Sibel Edmonds testimony to the 9/11 commission (all of which was either omitted or redacted).

Norman Mineta's testimony before the 9/11 commission which contridicts the official account of Dick Cheney's where abouts on 9/11.

At the 2001 G8 World Summit, world leaders slept on boats due to specific threats that had been made suggestion commercial air liners would be used as missiles to crash into buildings.

The August 6th 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing entitled: Osama Bin Laden Determined to attack within the U.S.

Project Able Danger: A Joint Chiefs operation to track known terrorist and possible terrorist subjects within the U.S.. Just prior to 9/11 an FBI task force had identified several of the hijackers, but the project was abruptly halted by the joint chiefs.
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Jun 13 2007, 04:55 PM #3

Don't forget the 2.3 trillion missing the day before 9/11. To be honest there isn't 1 point that's most damaging. It's the numerous anomalies prior to 9/11 during 9/11 and after 9/11 that make up the true objectives of the people behind 9/11.

People that wish to tell you everything with their eye closed and ears shut are hypocrites .
If you don't know you better call somebody.
Can you smell what the truth is cooking!
I know that the lies and deceptions of our government ran deep, but I didn't know it was a bottomless pit.
The best lies have some truth to it, it's deciding what part is the truth that's hard.
e^n "the hijackers' entries on the passenger manifest, the DNA evidence found at either the pentagon or shanksville"
Thier names where never on the manifest and there was no DNA to refrence the DNA taken at those areas. e^n You lied.
valuesize "Even if they DID use afterburners for the entire flight, they wouldn't have made it to AA77 in time to shoot it down"
Flight timeline and interception.
valuesize "As far as where he was trained, that's something that his examiner would have looked at, but the FAA does not keep such records"
Ok the FAA doesnt keep records RIGHT!?!
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Jun 13 2007, 05:16 PM #4

darion @ Jun 13 2007, 09:55 AM wrote: Don't forget the 2.3 trillion missing the day before 9/11. To be honest there isn't 1 point that's most damaging. It's the numerous anomalies prior to 9/11 during 9/11 and after 9/11 that make up the true objectives of the people behind 9/11.
Eckolaker wrote:On 9/10/01 Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference in which he discussed &#036;2.3 Trillion dollars in missing pentagon funds were being investigated. Unfortunately the Offices and several of the people doing the investigation were either killed or destroyed in the attack on the pentagon.
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Jun 13 2007, 07:48 PM #5

I probably should have added the put-options too.


Those last couple of ideas from you guys would have been perfect too.


It would have been better if someone else formulated the questions, but they were just off the top of my head. :blink:



Good discussion anyway, guys, keep it coming ;)


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Jun 13 2007, 07:55 PM #6

Did anyone see this edition of the BBC Conspiracy Files?. . .


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/c ... 160775.stm


I missed it, but looks interesting.


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Jun 15 2007, 05:05 PM #7

all of the above, so i picked "other"I believe our women were abducted by aliens, everybody is walking around in a trance, like an zombie. aliens have been coming
here for years... NOT. BUT THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THE TRANCE

there was a time when the tiniest little inconsistency would trigger
mass investigations, and immediate impeachment proceedings
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Jun 16 2007, 07:13 AM #8

alive and still talking @ Jun 16 2007, 03:05 AM wrote: there was a time when the tiniest little inconsistency would trigger
mass investigations, and immediate impeachment proceedings
"I call on all nations, to stop these terrorist killers......... now watch this drive."

- George 'Dubbya' Bush


but give the poor man a break, his job: it's tough...


"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." --interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

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Jun 17 2007, 10:05 PM #9

I don't think 9/11 was a conspiracy.

What I don't "get" though is how the FBI confiscated video tape that may have captured the plane hitting the Pentagon. So I voted "other" because I didn't see that over there.

Maybe someone can tell me why the tapes were confiscated. I have not heard a good reason for that.

I have also heard that Boeing has refused to answer questions about the performacnes of the 767 and 757 aircraft when asked. What could be the possible reasoning for that?

But every time I think there may be some official shenanigans, some jerk like Webster Tarpley finds a microphone and lets me know that the 911 conspiracy mongers are honeycombed with some real loonies. :ph43r:
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Jun 18 2007, 03:57 AM #10

But every time I think there may be some official shenanigans, some jerk like Webster Tarpley finds a microphone and lets me know that the 911 conspiracy mongers are honeycombed with some real loonies. 
there's an old saying, birds of a feather FLOCK TOGETHER. that's why youre here!
my opinion is, those who prefer to always believe EVERY PIECE OF CRAP FED TO THEM are not mentally competent, they just THINK they are, they dont have a clue. THERE ARE RUMORS that borderline autism is more prevalent than previously thought, would then explain BUSHMANIA. they would prefer to believe the government, even if they were told the FRIGGIN sky was falling

google georgewashingtons blog, message me ANYTIME, welcome to the forum!
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Jun 19 2007, 10:09 AM #12

half the families of dead new yorkers interviewed point to norad as their 1st clue
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Jun 19 2007, 09:59 PM #13

Hello everyone! My first post here but I follow this issue on DU and 911blogger.

One thing too that gets me is how the heck did the Secret Service know they, Bush, and those children at that school weren't targets and that a plane wasn't going to come crashing onto their heads any second! They should have whisked Bush to safety IMHO!

And the BBC reporting that #7 had collapsed as it still stood there in their video!
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Jun 21 2007, 02:00 AM #14

wildbill @ Jun 19 2007, 04:59 PM wrote:Hello everyone! My first post here but I follow this issue on DU and 911blogger.

One thing too that gets me is how the heck did the Secret Service know they, Bush, and those children at that school weren't targets and that a plane wasn't going to come crashing onto their heads any second! They should have whisked Bush to safety IMHO!

And the BBC reporting that #7 had collapsed as it still stood there in their video!
Well, a non-descript school house in the middle of a neighborhood is pretty good cover from aerial attack. From the air doing 700 knots, it is hard to pick out such a building unless it is shaped like a huge pentagon or stands over 1,100 feet in the air or has other distinguishing characteristics such as a large white dome or appears on the back of the &#036;20.00 bill.

Furthermore, securing the exit route was likely a good idea which is why he stayed put in the schoolhouse for the time that he did.

Again, if you think 9/11 was a conspiracy and that Bush or whomever was in on it, would it not be appropriate to coincidentally have him touring a military base when the planes hit the towers? Then he could go to the CIC or bunker or where ever and at least project that he is in command of the situation? I mean, really, do you think the political spin doctors rife in the GOP would allow their leader to have been portrayed so ineptly if they could have controlled it?

Frankly, I don't think Bush is smart enough to organize a fantasy baseball league much less the four-part tango of a conspiracy. Cheney? Same problem. He could have "accidently" been touring a military facility at the time too.

I guess my question is that if you think it was a conspiracy designed to do _______, why would the political considerations of looking scared and inept be left to chance like they were???

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Jun 22 2007, 02:47 AM #15

primarysuspect @ Jun 21 2007, 02:00 AM wrote:
Well, a non-descript school house in the middle of a neighborhood is pretty good cover from aerial attack. From the air doing 700 knots, it is hard to pick out such a building unless it is shaped like a huge pentagon or stands over 1,100 feet in the air or has other distinguishing characteristics such as a large white dome or appears on the back of the &#036;20.00 bill.

Furthermore, securing the exit route was likely a good idea which is why he stayed put in the schoolhouse for the time that he did.

Again, if you think 9/11 was a conspiracy and that Bush or whomever was in on it, would it not be appropriate to coincidentally have him touring a military base when the planes hit the towers? Then he could go to the CIC or bunker or where ever and at least project that he is in command of the situation? I mean, really, do you think the political spin doctors rife in the GOP would allow their leader to have been portrayed so ineptly if they could have controlled it?

Frankly, I don't think Bush is smart enough to organize a fantasy baseball league much less the four-part tango of a conspiracy. Cheney? Same problem. He could have "accidently" been touring a military facility at the time too.

I guess my question is that if you think it was a conspiracy designed to do _______, why would the political considerations of looking scared and inept be left to chance like they were???

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Nope! It was public knowledge where he'd be! Ever hear of google maps?
It's not hard to pick out a school!

As far as Bush himself planning or organizing it, no he didn't, duh! Others did that part! His part is to reap the rewards!
By the way, here's a link for am interesting video for you and others to consider.
www.zeitgeistmovie.com
Why do I get the feeling you won't appreciate it?
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Jun 22 2007, 03:34 AM #16

primarysuspect @ Jun 20 2007, 09:00 PM wrote:Frankly, I don't think Bush is smart enough to organize a fantasy baseball league much less the four-part tango of a conspiracy.&nbsp; Cheney?&nbsp; Same problem.&nbsp; He could have "accidently" been touring a military facility at the time too.&nbsp;

I guess my question is that if you think it was a conspiracy designed to do _______, why would the political considerations of looking scared and inept be left to chance like they were???

:unsure:
First time posting here. Of course Bush isn't smart enough to run this show...never was! He's the puppet and others are pulling the strings. I think Cheney is the liason between the string pullers and Bush. Where are the passengers? That's my big question but when people are given power to rule over others, anything is possible. But we're not supposed to question anything, right? Color me unpatriotic.
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Jun 22 2007, 03:03 PM #17

alive and still talking @ Jun 17 2007, 10:57 PM wrote: there's an old saying
4. "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 (Watch video)

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library ... uotes2.htm

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Jun 24 2007, 04:49 AM #18

wildbill @ Jun 21 2007, 09:47 PM wrote:
primarysuspect @ Jun 21 2007, 02:00 AM wrote:
Well, a non-descript school house in the middle of a neighborhood is pretty good cover from aerial attack.&nbsp; From the air doing 700 knots, it is hard to pick out such a building unless it is shaped like a huge pentagon or stands over 1,100 feet in the air or has other distinguishing characteristics such as a large white dome or appears on the back of the &#036;20.00 bill.

Furthermore, securing the exit route was likely a good idea which is why he stayed put in the schoolhouse for the time that he did.

Again, if you think 9/11 was a conspiracy and that Bush or whomever was in on it, would it not be appropriate to coincidentally have him touring a military base when the planes hit the towers?&nbsp; Then he could go to the CIC or bunker or where ever and at least project that he is in command of the situation?&nbsp; I mean, really, do you think the political spin doctors rife in the GOP would allow their leader to have been portrayed so ineptly if they could have controlled it?

Frankly, I don't think Bush is smart enough to organize a fantasy baseball league much less the four-part tango of a conspiracy.&nbsp; Cheney?&nbsp; Same problem.&nbsp; He could have "accidently" been touring a military facility at the time too.&nbsp;

I guess my question is that if you think it was a conspiracy designed to do _______, why would the political considerations of looking scared and inept be left to chance like they were???

:unsure:
Nope! It was public knowledge where he'd be! Ever hear of google maps?
It's not hard to pick out a school!

As far as Bush himself planning or organizing it, no he didn't, duh! Others did that part! His part is to reap the rewards!
By the way, here's a link for am interesting video for you and others to consider.
www.zeitgeistmovie.com
Why do I get the feeling you won't appreciate it?
Okay, what are the rewards?
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Jun 24 2007, 05:06 AM #19

wildbill @ Jun 21 2007, 09:47 PM wrote:
primarysuspect @ Jun 21 2007, 02:00 AM wrote:
Well, a non-descript school house in the middle of a neighborhood is pretty good cover from aerial attack.&nbsp; From the air doing 700 knots, it is hard to pick out such a building unless it is shaped like a huge pentagon or stands over 1,100 feet in the air or has other distinguishing characteristics such as a large white dome or appears on the back of the &#036;20.00 bill.

Furthermore, securing the exit route was likely a good idea which is why he stayed put in the schoolhouse for the time that he did.

Again, if you think 9/11 was a conspiracy and that Bush or whomever was in on it, would it not be appropriate to coincidentally have him touring a military base when the planes hit the towers?&nbsp; Then he could go to the CIC or bunker or where ever and at least project that he is in command of the situation?&nbsp; I mean, really, do you think the political spin doctors rife in the GOP would allow their leader to have been portrayed so ineptly if they could have controlled it?

Frankly, I don't think Bush is smart enough to organize a fantasy baseball league much less the four-part tango of a conspiracy.&nbsp; Cheney?&nbsp; Same problem.&nbsp; He could have "accidently" been touring a military facility at the time too.&nbsp;

I guess my question is that if you think it was a conspiracy designed to do _______, why would the political considerations of looking scared and inept be left to chance like they were???

:unsure:
Nope! It was public knowledge where he'd be! Ever hear of google maps?
It's not hard to pick out a school!

As far as Bush himself planning or organizing it, no he didn't, duh! Others did that part! His part is to reap the rewards!
By the way, here's a link for am interesting video for you and others to consider.
www.zeitgeistmovie.com
Why do I get the feeling you won't appreciate it?
I scanned through the video. At 53:19, the part I really am confused about--the video cameras from Citgo and the Marriott hotel were confiscated.

Why?
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Jun 24 2007, 03:04 PM #20

darion @ Jun 13 2007, 12:55 PM wrote:Don't forget the 2.3 trillion missing the day before 9/11. To be honest there isn't 1 point that's most damaging. It's the numerous anomalies prior to 9/11 during 9/11 and after 9/11 that make up the true objectives of the people behind 9/11.

QUOTE (Eckolaker)
On 9/10/01 Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference in which he discussed &#036;2.3 Trillion dollars in missing pentagon funds were being investigated. Unfortunately the Offices and several of the people doing the investigation were either killed or destroyed in the attack on the pentagon.
Yes it is the sum total of unanswered questions and contradictions and impossibilities which totally convinces me that 9-11 was an inside-job attack on our nation by our own government, most likely done with a highly trained and experienced US Military team. The overall 9-11 op was so complex and technically difficult, that it had to be carried out by a government and military force with all their expertise and sophisticated secrecy controls. The US Military is quite capable of keeping military secrets, but the bumbling politicians such as Cheney and Rumsfeld and Rice and Mineta and Bush are not. Their OCT (Official Conspiracy Theory) is falling apart despite their best efforts at censoring and gag-ordering and threatening and lying and color-coded alerts. Quite obviously, angry insiders have been quietly leaking critical evidence all along. The NeoCONs at PNAC, needing their New Pearl Harbor Event had been planning 9-11 years in advance. But it seems even yet, we will have their heads.

This video of the 30 top stories of the South Tower toppling and suddenly destroying itself with steel beams and debris flying up over the debris cloud was quite convincing that at least the South Tower was a top down demolition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLHGLI1Ihv0

The C-130 present at both the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crime scenes and the lies told by Colonel O'Brien are another damaging item. Perhaps an airborne command center for the two flights? That tiny hole in the ground in Pennsylvania with the tall unburned grass around it is a joke. Just how stupid do they think we are?
Lt Colonel O'Brien discusses witnessing two 9-11 crashes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUqbOgFiPDI
http://www.dma.state.mn.us/press_room/e ... hp?item=75

http://killtown.911review.org/images/fl ... -stahl.jpg
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evid ... ater3.html

FBI stores Flight 93 wreckage under high security deep underground at Iron Mountain, Pennsylvania.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBkJrqV2qkQ
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