DO WE STILL LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY?

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DO WE STILL LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY?

seeker135
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Jan 9 2008, 07:08 PM #1

Democracy, Yes No or don't know

Total votes: 12
2(17%)
8(67%)
2(17%)

It's beginning to look like TPTB don't trust us in the Primaries either. Your view?
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This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs: When he first appears, he is a protector. Plato

YOUR DISBELIEF DOES NOT CREATE AN ALTERNATIVE REALITY

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kissing blarney
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Jan 10 2008, 03:22 AM #2

I vote yes, but...

Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn claimed that all democracy is basically totalitarian and that all democracies eventually degenerate into dictatorships.

On totalitarian democracies:

Even 51 per cent of a nation can establish a totalitarian and dictatorial règime, suppress minorities, and still remain democratic; there is, as we have said, little doubt that the American Congress and the French Chambre have a power over their respective nations which would rouse the envy of a Louis XIV or a George III were they alive today.

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http://www.andrewrogers.net/admire/K-L_quotes.html
Experience is what you get when you're expecting something else.
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chucksheen
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Jan 10 2008, 05:51 AM #3

We don't live in a democracy. We live in a constitutional republic. We are not governed by the majority of the people but by the rule of law. The rule of law protects the minority from the tyranny of the majority. We all have inalienable rights that cannot be voted away by a majority of voters. If the majority of the people want security and is willing to sacrifice liberty, the government still cannot infringe on the rights of the majority nor minority.

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.

Freedom: Two very hungry wolves looking for dinner and finding a very well-informed and well-armed sheep.

"Freedom is not defined by safety. Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference." - Ron Paul

"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race." ~ Calvin Coolidge

Ron Paul, perhaps a final warning to apathetic Americans that Our forgotten legacy of a Republic is at risk. Our Liberties and our Currency ... all » are collapsing.

Learn the elemental difference between a Democracy and a Republic. A precise, clear film about what's at risk; why, and the urgent demand for action.

History, it would seem, is about ready to repeat itself, with yet another doomed Empire that simply over-extended and economically collapsed from within. Similarly evident to all from the outside, but completely obscured to the citizenry who are about to perish. The Romans call to America from their graves............WAKE UP!

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ron1872
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Jan 10 2008, 08:03 AM #4

Democracy is over in the US:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV6qAGigGYY

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/januar ... _fraud.htm

Freedom on the internet will be shut down by HR1955.

My prediction: McCain will be the new president of the US.
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look-up
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Jan 10 2008, 05:29 PM #5

well then Chuck, I'd say we should rephrase the question as "Do we still live in a Constitutional Republic?"

and my answer would still be "no".
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kissing blarney
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Jan 10 2008, 07:21 PM #6

Chuck, while I agree that we're supposed to be a constitutional republic, nothing else in your post (other than your two wolves analogy) seems to reflect the reality of the situation in this country. Our inalienable rights are being eroded on what seems like a daily basis, voted on by an extreme minority...the Congress and approved by the Supreme Court. The rule of law does seems to protect the minority from the majority, but not the way it was intended. More like seperates the minority (elites) from the majority (we the people). Our government has passed many laws that infringes on the rights of all us. They may not be being enforced to their fullest extent at the moment, but their mere presence is infringement enough for me.

I see elements of many different ideological leanings in our country like socialism, communism, fascism, oligarchy, dictatorship, etc., which is why I think yes, we most closely resemble a democracy as opposed to those other extremes. It really all boils down to one's perspective, especially when it comes politics or religion.
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