9/11 Explosions And Fires In Dayton Ohio

9/11 Explosions And Fires In Dayton Ohio

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May 14 2007, 06:17 AM #1

A couple of things...

On the AM of 9/11... there were two large concussions in Dayton Ohio. They could have been sonic booms. Wright Patterson AFB is here.
At any event, they rattled the garage doors of this building, and unexplained prairie fires erupted at the VA hospital grounds west of downtown, some two miles distant.

Also, wasn't there a clear period of time, while Bush was aimlessly winging his way wither and wherever on AF1, when Cheney officially announced his 'control' over the country?

These events bear looking into.
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May 14 2007, 06:24 AM #2

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May 24 2007, 12:44 PM #3

I was in Dayton, Ohio on 9/11.

Yes - there was a concussive boom. I remember just hearing one, not two. I was in a big box store south of town (on the opposite side of town from Wright Patterson AFB) and the concussion sounded like a huge metal trash dumpster had fallen on the roof of the building. It rattled the store windows and really shook everybody up.

I'd say it was sometime in the mid to late afternoon. NOT in the morning. We were all too glued to the TV sets that morning to venture out until later in the day when necessary errands (a trip to the grocery store to stock up on supplies, putting gas in the car, getting cash from ATM) finally had to happen if the national weirdness was indeed going to continue.

Anyway, after the "boom", I quickly called my boyfriend at home. We live in an old house near downtown Dayton. He said the boom was also heard downtown. Again it rattled windows and he claimed the whole house shook from it. He said there was nothing on the TV news about it and it may have been a sonic boom.

By the time I got home 20 minutes later, there were local news reports that a smaller plane (like a commuter jet or private aircraft) had been heading to downtown Dayton to crash into something like the Kettering Tower (just like all the planes we were imagining that were heading for the Sears Tower in Chicago, etc.) but had instead missed and crashed into or on the grounds of the Veterans Administration hospital. There was supposedly a huge fire. By the time the news reporters got their cameras out there, nothing was going on. No flames, no plane crash, nothing. But apparently there had been calls to the station by eyewitnesses who saw a plane flying low and descending and exploding. Multiple calls. Which is really weird since nothing happened. All I can say to that is: "queen of hearts" - the boom must have been a "trigger" for some "programmed" folks to imagine something really specific happening and then calling the authorities to report it. Mind you, this was after all air traffic had been stopped in U.S. airspace. Nothing was flying but military aircraft. I'll have to look into that day's local newspaper to see what actually ended up getting printed about the eyewitness reports.

I talked to someone last week about this as it happens. My boyfriend works on the AFB and we took a visiting guest on base for a little tour. Talk inevitably turned to that day. He was also living in Dayton on 9/11 and had gotten panicked calls from friends in Florida and Missouri shortly after the concussive boom occurred. They had heard on their local news that a plane had crashed in downtown Dayton or that Dayton had been bombed and was under some sort of attack. They called him right away to check on him and make sure he was okay. And of course he was mystified because nothing was really going on. I had no idea the reports had gone out that far and wide (and quickly!) about the "siege of Dayton". Amazing.

To put the question about the sonic boom to rest. Yes, that is what it was. A friend who grew up in Dayton was outside mowing his grass on 9/11 when the boom occurred. He didn't even blink. He told us that it used to be a normal occurrence when fighter jets took off from the base. It had only been in recent years that you never heard it anymore. He figured the jets were in some major hurry to take off and break the sound barrier so quickly right over Dayton like that.

The official story was that Air Force One was still in the air and needed some tactical support in a hurry as it flew overhead. Sounds likely to me because as far as I knew that plane was all over the U.S. map that day.

One final word about Dayton and aircraft. It was very eerie around here in the days just after 9/11 when commercial air traffic was not happening. There were a lot of fighter jets taking off and landing. Each time they did, I'd clench up thinking, "Oh no, what's happened now?" Occasionally our house is in the AFB landing path so we see a lot of the bigger military cargo planes coming in for a landing. A few days after 9/11 a white plane about the size of like a 767 with no markings and no numbers on it flew right over our house and very low on its approach to the AFB. It really unnerved me. I mean, I've seen a lot of odd things over the years but I hadn't actually seen something like that in the air and right over my head as I walked my dog on a sunny afternoon.

I'll post any news reports I can find on the eyewitness accounts of the "siege of Dayton". Was anyone else in town that day? If so, what do you remember?? I'm curious.

Cheers, Ben, for bringing this up :)
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May 24 2007, 12:55 PM #4

From the Dayton Daily News:

"Seen & Overheard", 9/13/2001
After an erroneous local TV report Tuesday evening that an airplane had crashed into the Dayton VA Medical Center, Lawrence Tucker, assistant to the director, received calls from several center employees who said they didn't want to come to work because of what they saw on TV. Later, a miffed Tucker said: `Police checked the whole grounds. It's not like you can hide a plane crash.'

"Speak Up", 9/14/2001
* I think that, at the very least, WHIO-Channel 7 owes the Miami Valley an apology for incorrectly reporting, without confirming the information, that a plane had crashed at the VA Center. The report caused pandemonium and panic.
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* At about 6 o'clock Tuesday, just after everyone heard two loud noises, WHIO-TV reported that there was a possible plane crash at the Veterans Administration Center. It even went so far as to show smoke from a fire. How bad can news reporting get? In the end, we found out that there was a fire somewhere around the VA. Channel 7 owes an apology.
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May 25 2007, 01:41 AM #5

Flight 77 disappeared from radar at 8:56 (approx) -- heading into Falmouth KY sector of ATC control.

Wright-Patterson AFB was named as possible "set down" location for AA77, early on when folks were searching for where planes went.

The "turnaround" of AA77 and return towards DC is based entirely on speculation (until someone produces a serial-# matched part, or rather, dozens, from the Pentagon site -- at this point, it would be suspect)

A Dayton area landing of AA77 would seem highly unlikely. Any other private or commercial airfields capable of landing a 757 in the area? --

The explosion likely had to do with some other event -- sonic boom, etc -- but a wise old hand said once "ask them if they were holding a drill at Wright-Patterson on 9/11..."
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May 25 2007, 08:46 PM #6

No drills at Wright Patt AFB on 9/11.

My boyfriend was working on base that day. When there are drills, the base gets "locked down" (people can't even leave their buildings or enter the base) and there is a lot of activity.

Sept. 11, 2001 was a day like any other on the base until the second plane hit the towers. That's when his building received a call from the base commander to get off base now. So everyone in his building did. They were one of the first buildings to evacuate the base on 9/11.
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May 28 2007, 08:38 PM #7

So they did evacuate. Who was left after the evacuation?

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valuesize "Even if they DID use afterburners for the entire flight, they wouldn't have made it to AA77 in time to shoot it down"
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Jun 2 2007, 04:40 PM #8

I live about 45 minutes west of Dayton off of highway 70. Around 4-4:30 we were outside and heard a large sonic boom overhead. Everyone thought it was an explosion of some sort after the events of the day. After coming to our senses, we looked up and saw a formation of F-16 fighters escorting Air Force One flying over head heading east towards Dayton.

I don't know if that has anything to do with what happened in Dayton, but that was the source of our sonic boom. I hope this helps!
"Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel (from the airplane) would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed," he said. "The building structure would still be there."
"However," he added, "I'm not saying that properly applied explosives - shaped explosives - of that magnitude could not do a tremendous amount of damage. I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it."Jeffery Skilling-Head Structural Engineer WTC Complex Seattle Times, 1993. May you rest in peace, Mr. Skilling.
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Jun 3 2007, 10:44 PM #9

"So they did evacuate. Who was left after the evacuation?"

I should have been more specific.

All non-essential base personnel were ordered off base immediately. This basically meant "all civilians". All that was left on base was active military.

The base went from threat status Alpha to Delta after the second plane hit the WTC. Alpha means everything is hunky dory. Delta means that the base is under imminent threat of attack. There are other threat levels in between but it went from lowest to highest status in no time flat.

I don't know how long it took to evacuate the base of civilians. Some buildings on base are quite large. It may have taken anywhere from half hour to an hour if everyone was really motivated to get out (which on that day they were!).

Can someone do the math and see if it is possible that AA77 could have landed at WPAFB between the second plane hitting the WTC and the "crash" at the Pentagon (while factoring in the time it would have taken to clear the base of civilians)? I don't have everything in front of me, but it is an intriguing idea that the base may not have been cleared of civilians for their safety but to more discreetly land a civilian plane. Hmmmmmm.
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Jun 5 2007, 01:37 AM #10

WP--AFB accessible to AA77? is there any indication / evidence it was landed there?

(quick answer: nope. however, it remains theoretically possible.)

just for sake of humor:

review of facts:
last radio/transponder squawk of AA77 -- 8:50am
last 'radar trace?' AA77 -- 8:57 am

see
http://www.avweb.com/other/911flightexplorer.html


we can only estimate airspeed after the plane went off radar.

at airspeed of 400mph-- 500mph, counting time to slow to landing speed of 200 to 150mph, etc, it would seem to take til maybe about 9:15 to land AA77 at WPAFB -- thus after the WTC2 impact time. certainly not before 9:03am.

They prolly got it parked at Hangar 18, right?
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Jun 5 2007, 10:18 PM #11

"They prolly got it parked at Hangar 18, right?"

Nice!

Here's a few more things I found on the Dayton "explosions", WPAFB, and air traffic from the Dayton Daily News:

(excerpted from a page 1A story on 9/12/01):
"Wright-Patterson Air Force Base went on high alert, sending home all but essential personnel, and Dayton International Airport was part of a nationwide airport shutdown. Schools, businesses and shopping malls closed early, and sporting events and community activities were canceled throughout the region. The FBI issued a news release Tuesday afternoon saying it "has no credible information that any location" within the 48-county Cincinnati FBI Division, including the Dayton area, has been targeted for terrorist attack."
and
"There was a scare late Tuesday afternoon when two thunderous booms rocked the Dayton area and televised news reports erroneously suggested that the Dayton VA Center may have been hit by a terrorist attack. Air Force fighter jets were spotted in the skies around that time, and Wright-Patterson officials said they were investigating whether military aircraft caused sonic booms."
and
"Traffic at the airport was particularly heavy in the hours after the attacks in Manhattan. Eighteen planes, en route to other destinations, landed in Dayton in response to a Federal Aviation Administration order ceasing all U.S. air traffic. The FAA said air traffic would be restored no sooner than noon today."

Does anyone else wonder about what one of those 18 planes might have been????

(excerpted from a story on page 1C on 9/12/01 that covered the national and local news reporting angles):
"Locally, the reporters were limited to reporting on the high security at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and the Fairborn school closings, which started a whole ball of cancellations, including the early end of business at National City Mortgage."
and
"WDTN (Channel 2)'s Howard Nathan staked out the Dayton International Airport and lucked onto a TWA pilot whose flight to St. Louis had been diverted to Dayton. The pilot told Nathan that just after takeoff from New York, he saw the American Airlines plane and was forced to take evasive action to avoid it. Other local reporters were forced to describe empty downtown streets, the result of increased security around Dayton's Federal Building."

another article from Sept. 12, 2001 - this one just about the base:

WRIGHT-PAT AIR FORCE BASE GOES TO HIGHEST ALERT

"Wright-Patterson Air Force Base went on high alert and activated two national command posts Tuesday after terrorists carried out an air attack using hijacked airliners in New York, Washington and Pittsburgh.

The base beefed up gate security Tuesday after two hijacked airliners slammed into the World Trade Center's twin towers in New York City at 8:45 and 9:03 a.m. But the base went into higher gear when the Pentagon became the next target. A hijacked airliner plowed into one section of the five-sided building in Washington, D.C., at 9:43 a.m.

Minutes later, an E-4B National Airborne Operations Center - a white 747 Jumbo Jet often confused with Air Force One - took off from Wright-Pat for an undisclosed destination. It returned later in the day. Wright-Pat is one of a few designated bases for the flying command center.

Meanwhile, top generals on the base huddled and managers sent home nonessential personnel.

Col. Michael Hazen, 88th airbase wing commander, said Tuesday evening the base was operating on "the highest force protection standards" and "will continue as long as the Air Force directs us to stay at heightened alert."

Security police searched cars, causing traffic backups at base gates. Hazen urged the public to stay away from the base to reduce congestion.

F-16 fighter jets came and went during the day. Some belonged to the Ohio Air National Guard's 178th Fighter Group, temporarily based at Wright-Pat because of construction work at the Springfield airport.

Sounds widely reported as sonic booms rocked the Dayton area late in the afternoon, but base officials said they had no information on their origin.

"We are investigating those sounds. I cannot confirm they were sonic booms," said Lt. Col. Ed Worley, director of public affairs at Wright-Pat.

Hazen said only that fighters from Wright-Pat "flew missions, but not to a local emergency." The F-16 can dash at supersonic speeds, but supersonic flight is ordinarily prohibited over the United States.

Dressed in a combat uniform, Hazen kept his remarks brief and returned to the base's battle staff center, where top base leaders were meeting throughout the day.

Earlier Tuesday, a spokeswoman confirmed the command's headquarters at Wright-Pat also had activated its command center, a high-security war room used to manage worldwide support of Air Force combat units during war or times of high tension. "We are preparing to coordinate any assistance . . . that is requested" by military commanders, AFMC spokeswoman Lt. Col. Adrienne Campbell said.

Located inside the AFMC headquarters building at Wright-Pat, the command center operated around the clock throughout the Persian Gulf War to monitor the readiness of combat planes and manage the massive airlift that built up war supplies in the region.

The E-4B National Airborne Operations Center is a flying military command post that is often mistaken for Air Force One when it flies over the Miami Valley. Known as the "Doomsday Plane" during the Cold War, it serves the president and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Under a special agreement, it also supports Federal Emergency Management Agency operations during major disasters.

The E-4B is a highly modified Boeing 747. Equipped with a conference room, briefing room, work rooms and living quarters, it can support crews of up to 114 people. It carries stockpiles of food and can be refueled in flight.

Base representatives had no immediate word on whether anyone from Wright-Pat was a victim of the Pentagon attack."

Anyway, there you have it.
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Jun 5 2007, 11:31 PM #12

That answers the 747 question, apparently. it was likely the E4B 747-400 plane, identified in the pinned white plane analysis that Pinnacle is working on.


as for "cause of explosions" -- I am suspicious. if they WERE sonic booms, i think WP AFB spokesperson would cop to it as "likely caused by air interceptor craft" ---unless they wanted to hide information about where/when/etc USAF interceptors were located -0--

it sounds like a crappy cover story for a different cause of explosions.

explosions are the sounds of things blowing up. can be caused by sonic booms, but those have a signature sound, and are accompanied by visuals of lowflying supersonic craft.

what the hell would have blown up that day? missile? ordance? something wierd at WP?
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Jun 6 2007, 05:14 PM #13

MINETA: On the other hand, we had seven or eight uniden -- or unaccounted-for airplanes, and then I heard about an airplane going down on the Ohio-Kentucky border.

So I said to Monte, I said, "Have we heard anything further about what you just mentioned a little while ago, about that plane down in, along the border of Ohio and Kentucky?" And he said no, we haven't heard anything.

I said, "Well, have you called the Ohio State Patrol or the Kentucky State Patrol to find out if they've heard anything?"

Cause if someone sees an airplane crash, they're immediately going to call the law enforcement agency. I said find out from them if they've heard anything.

But that turned out to be negative.


Is dayton near the KY border?
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Jun 7 2007, 12:48 AM #14

Dayton is about 50 miles north of the Kentucky border, just up I-75 from Cincinnati which is on the border.
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Jun 7 2007, 01:46 AM #15

when AA77 went "NORDO" and transponder off in the same timeframe, the natural guess is that might have crashed.

think about it-- a plane disappears from 2'dary radar, primary radar, and you cant talk to it.

what are the explanations?


i think that rumor started from ATC in Indy or maybe Virginia. -- however, it was never confirmed on the ground.

therefore, there is no evidence to support an actual crash. that stuff is hard to hide -- even in appalachia.

HOWEVER -- a "northwoods" style operation cannot be totally ruled out.

before you go any farther on trying to investigate what planes may have landed at WP (if any did) -- or where AA77 did --

you MUST examine the "jug handle" turn made by AA77 long before it 'disappeared' --

they subsequently EDITED OUT the jug handle north-then-west-then-south turn over W. virginia
from published radar traces. begging the question, why?
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Jun 7 2007, 06:55 PM #16

JackD @ Jun 7 2007, 01:46 AM wrote: you MUST examine the "jug handle" turn made by AA77 long before it 'disappeared' --

they subsequently EDITED OUT the jug handle north-then-west-then-south turn over W. virginia
from published radar traces. begging the question, why?
Very good. I figured most people forgot about the jughandle. Did we ever get an explanation as to why that was initially reported?

Btw, not that I doubt any of this, but is there any news report confirming this Dayton sonic boom?
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Jun 7 2007, 08:07 PM #17

dylan avery @ Jun 7 2007, 06:55 PM wrote:
JackD @ Jun 7 2007, 01:46 AM wrote: you MUST examine the "jug handle" turn made by AA77 long before it 'disappeared' --

they subsequently EDITED OUT the jug handle north-then-west-then-south turn over W. virginia
from published radar traces. begging the question, why?
Very good. I figured most people forgot about the jughandle. Did we ever get an explanation as to why that was initially reported?

Btw, not that I doubt any of this, but is there any news report confirming this Dayton sonic boom?
I googled his quotes, and the search produced zero results.

Considering the fact that these are new members, their only posts are in this thread, and I cannot find their quotes, I'm gunna have to call BS on these guys.
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Jun 7 2007, 08:12 PM #18

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_T ... f=9&t=2644
Folks,

I don't think that a Boeing airliner hit the Pentagon. If not, what did, and where did that swap take place? 

My first answer would be the flying vehicles were swapped when AA77 was lost to radar for "X" number of miles west of the IAD area. I think that someone on this site stated that they saw, maybe on radar, a high speed target passing the IAD area headed toward DC. Was this craft ever positively identified and confirmed to be AA77? Another "craft's" PRIMARY target going at high speeds would look the same.

The standards when air traffic controllers use when "positively identifying" a primary target that they are following are to either...match a primary target over a navaid or intersection when the pilot reports being over that point, or...by asking the pilot to execute two turns of 30 degrees or more and then watching to see if the primary target follows those instructions. If either of those events occur, then it can be considered that the primary target is the aircraft in question and the controller is allowed to claim "your are in radar contact". Failing either of those, there is no positive radar contact. 

Did anyone do this to AA77 when it "reappeared"?

Does anyone anywhere have any facts or evidence that the high speed eastbound target west of IAD that "popped back up on radar" was in fact AA77?

Further questions, it really disturbs me as being far, far too coincidental that the captain of AA77 had been in the military working at the pentagon on hijacking defense , or some similar protocols a few years earlier.

So, I'm asking if anyone knew of this fellow's military flying background because if he had any experience in running low altitude bombing "OB" runs, this would be very interesting.

The old "OB" low altitude bombing runs were practice excersises over terrain within the USofA that if flown over in "exacting ways", would be a fair representation of SOVIET terrain that would have to be flown over should there have been a bombing attack executed into the USSR. The designator OB...ie: Oil Burner, was later changed to "Olive Branch"...sound manipulative...or familiar?

Here is the tie-in, and some of it came from a woman's testimony near that "Special Mountain" west of DC where "an airplane was swallowed up by the mountain". Not that I'm ready to believe the "swallowed up part"...BUT...most likely there was an airplane similar to what she described. For example, if there were an airport on the other side of a long ridge in which you were standing and the runway was on the valley floor on the other side of that ridge, could it not look like a mountain "swallowed up" the aircraft slowly descending from a sight line above the ridge and/or mountain to an altitude below the sightline of the ridge or mountain? So, here is another dot. 

Without any doubt, the Appalacian mountains in that part of our country have long valleys with fairly high ridges along each side and I KNOW that there is no radar coverage down in the valleys. 

So, if there were to be an airbourne vehicle swap, it could have taken place when AA77 was "lost" from radar coverage...perhaps at low altitude in one of these valleys. Then, the "new" craft could take over in that, or really any other area nearby, still under the radar coverage, and then BECOME the primary target ASSUMED TO BE AA77, that "pops-up" west of IAD/DC heading eastbound and on into the pentagon.

So...what happened to AA77? Here is where the captain's past experience may have allowed him to perform some very low altitude "winging" of AA77 returning back west, or elsewhere keeping very low to the ground along valleys and such.

Perhaps the big Boeing landed at an AFB, or even at a civilian facility using different call signs or whatever. AA77 did not have the numbers AA77 painted on the side...and who was keeping accurate track of which aircraft landed where that day. AAL would think AA77 is down and not look for it. If the airplane went to a civilian airport to land, who there would double check that the AAL jet was actually AA77...and if it was part of the plan to land at a military base in the emergency, well, that's just part of the plan. The passengers could be told anything.

What I'm postulating all may sound crazy, but if AA77 did not hit the pentagon, where did it go?

Please remember, the people, [read: military personnel], involved in this event would only be top notch, and very, very, very dedicated to the mission. Even one's families wouldn't count.

And yeah, what would have happened to the passengers on AA77 is indeed very troubling. But somewhere I saw a clip showing that a military craft might be bringing "corpses" back to the DC area a few days after 9/11. Nice flight for a nap..a long, long nap?

Sadly, if one accepts that 9/11 was an inside job, then one must accept that these guys are cold blooded killers. Consequently, how are the lives of a handful of "airline passengers" going to be of any concern when one considers the scope of the events before, during and after 9/11/01? 

They would just become "collateral damage" that had to be dealt with...but in a different way!

So, if anyone has info on AA77's captain and his military flying background, and if anyone has a "fair" representation of the flight path and last point of radar contact of AA77"...[ Again, I don't trust anything "with the US Government as originator"...but I'l start there]...and further, where the primary target "PRESUMED" to be AA77 popped back up in its easterly heading, I'd love to get it. 

I will be superimposing the tracks over terrain maps to see how close the flight paths are to mountains, ridges and valleys in which some of what I postulate might have taken place. Never know about this stuff...


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BTW: 

Can anyone PROVE that the FDR which was supposed to be from AA77 is absolutely and positively FROM AA77? And a follow-up question...Does anyone know if its IMPOSSIBLE to RECREATE each and every bit of electronically recorded data on such FDR's? 

Seems to me that current humanity and computer technology can "simulate" almost everything "aviation" nowadays. Why not internal FDR data and info too?

So, be wary my pilot friends, the info that y'all are running with right now for your simulations may be exactly what they want out there. But certainly don't stop...yet please be hesitant before you try and "prove" anything based upon this federally released "data". RDH
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Jun 7 2007, 08:43 PM #19

dylan avery @ Jun 7 2007, 06:55 PM wrote:Btw, not that I doubt any of this, but is there any news report confirming this Dayton sonic boom?
I managed to find these two Dayton Daily News articles mentioning sonic booms using the Google News Archive search. Here are the links, that will hopefully work for you:

COMMUNITY, NATION OIRN DAY OF TERROR
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Arc ... p_docnum=1

WRIGHT-PAT AIR FORCE BASE GOES TO HIGHEST ALERT
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Arc ... p_docnum=1
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Jun 7 2007, 11:37 PM #20

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Arc ... p_docnum=1

shoestring -- those are dead links. can you cut and paste the information you found into this thread -- documenting the "sonic" booms?

the noise may have been a sonic boom -- but it ain't a sonic boom until you have someone witnessing a high-speed jet flyover -- otherwise, it is LOUD BOOM cause unexplained.

be on the look out for clumsy cover stories -- esp about commercial aircraft landing either at Dayton Airport OR at Wright Patterson.
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