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Joined: October 25th, 2007, 2:08 pm

April 13th, 2018, 11:14 pm #11

Someone's puling the strings because nothing seems to work at ER. I suppose that cunt Bates, brought in 'reasonable' mangers in comparison to Cellino's and AR's choices. Grayson was probably the best of a bad bunch. So here we are with Heckingbottom flapping in the wind, is it down to him or the club in general for recruiting shit footballers? Can't you improve crap players and turn them into an effective unit. Isn't that Heck's job?

If we're not prepared to pay the going rate, we get what we pay for. This season was dead in the water at Christmas for us. It shouldn't have been the case as The Championship is a marathon. When you look at what other clubs did during the transfer window to improve their lot i.e. Fulham attracting a Premiership striker on loan, (yes knowing their manager helped) just to improve on their considerable talent in comparison to us shows we are rotten to the core in many aspects. Ambitions of a top 6 finish was laughable mid-way through September.
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April 14th, 2018, 8:49 am #12

scrabblerSE22 wrote:Someone's puling the strings because nothing seems to work at ER. I suppose that cunt Bates, brought in 'reasonable' mangers in comparison to Cellino's and AR's choices. Grayson was probably the best of a bad bunch. So here we are with Heckingbottom flapping in the wind, is it down to him or the club in general for recruiting shit footballers? Can't you improve crap players and turn them into an effective unit. Isn't that Heck's job?

If we're not prepared to pay the going rate, we get what we pay for. This season was dead in the water at Christmas for us. It shouldn't have been the case as The Championship is a marathon. When you look at what other clubs did during the transfer window to improve their lot i.e. Fulham attracting a Premiership striker on loan, (yes knowing their manager helped) just to improve on their considerable talent in comparison to us shows we are rotten to the core in many aspects. Ambitions of a top 6 finish was laughable mid-way through September.
Its the curse on Elland Road ffs


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Joined: October 11th, 2007, 9:58 pm

April 14th, 2018, 11:05 am #13

Scrabbler, I think we should have kept Steve Evans and given him a decent crack at it. His record in the lower leagues speaks for itself, and he gave us our best finish in ages and could do no worse than what followed. But the game has moved on and if you don't prove yourself absolutely in half a season you're gone. It's turning me off the game tbh as it's not the same sport I loved watching and grew up dreaming of playing. The only slight glimmer of hope is that the young un will keep getting a run out and will be ready to form the basis of a decent side cos despite having money Orta has spent it so shitly we'd have been better off not bothering.
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Joined: October 25th, 2007, 2:08 pm

April 14th, 2018, 7:31 pm #14

DavidGedge wrote: Scrabbler, I think we should have kept Steve Evans and given him a decent crack at it. His record in the lower leagues speaks for itself, and he gave us our best finish in ages and could do no worse than what followed. But the game has moved on and if you don't prove yourself absolutely in half a season you're gone. It's turning me off the game tbh as it's not the same sport I loved watching and grew up dreaming of playing. The only slight glimmer of hope is that the young un will keep getting a run out and will be ready to form the basis of a decent side cos despite having money Orta has spent it so shitly we'd have been better off not bothering.
Certainly Steve Evans would of made a better fist of things compared to TC and Heckingbottom. The youngsters might be the way forward, the only problem here if they make the grade is that, with our recent history we'll just sell them on after one good season. Then it's back to square one. I'll always live in hope that something will change for the better.
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April 14th, 2018, 8:13 pm #15

ovywhite wrote: We CAN, but we WONT, pay the rate, simple as that.
We've had plenty come here, warnock was the one many thought would say it as it is but didn't utter a thing, also couldn't inspire the squad to much either, its a poison chalice at ER.
The club is rotten to the core, makes me seriously wonder if bates is still pulling the strings, who's to say bates isn't the godfather above the rest !! we have no proof otherwise either have we ??
I don’t think paying the dough and getting the big names is the problem Ovy. We have appointed across the whole managerial spectrum, from the unheard of 56 year old English guys to mysterious Eastern Europeans, The Championship “specialists” Warnock and McDermott, but some of the biggest failures have been the biggest names in British football. Terry Venables and Peter Reid never looked like achieving success despite their highest of profiles, and the failure of such a majestic footballer as Gary Mcallister, whose credentials fitted our club more than anyone, were absolutely astounding. Sutton United anyone ? A lot of Leeds fans have a massive sense of entitlement, not you Ovy, and when they used to slag Kevin Blackwell off , who by the way got us closer to the promised land than anyone else, thought getting the  likes of Venables, Reid and McAllister should be the silver bullet to our problems. Naive to say the least. There is a managerial “merry go round” involving a lot of big name managers who have in reality achieved fuck all, who flit from club to club, because supporters want a “name”. Guess what, 95% of managers are not gonna achieve what fans expect, and unless you are Man City or Chelsea, you are not gonna get the 5% gold dust. There is no magic formula to getting the right manager to do the job, as Warnock has proved by failing miserably at Leeds but having relative success elsewhere. Let’s not kid ourselves that average chumps like Brian McDermott, who wasted a whole transfer budget on Luke Murphy, are so much better than a Hockaday or some dodgy Slav. The right man is out there, but let’s not pretend it’s so easy to just go out and get him. The latest set up with Orta is certainly going to hinder any future incumbent.


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April 15th, 2018, 6:31 am #16

spezial wrote:
ovywhite wrote: We CAN, but we WONT, pay the rate, simple as that.
We've had plenty come here, warnock was the one many thought would say it as it is but didn't utter a thing, also couldn't inspire the squad to much either, its a poison chalice at ER.
The club is rotten to the core, makes me seriously wonder if bates is still pulling the strings, who's to say bates isn't the godfather above the rest !! we have no proof otherwise either have we ??
I don’t think paying the dough and getting the big names is the problem Ovy. We have appointed across the whole managerial spectrum, from the unheard of 56 year old English guys to mysterious Eastern Europeans, The Championship “specialists” Warnock and McDermott, but some of the biggest failures have been the biggest names in British football. Terry Venables and Peter Reid never looked like achieving success despite their highest of profiles, and the failure of such a majestic footballer as Gary Mcallister, whose credentials fitted our club more than anyone, were absolutely astounding. Sutton United anyone ? A lot of Leeds fans have a massive sense of entitlement, not you Ovy, and when they used to slag Kevin Blackwell off , who by the way got us closer to the promised land than anyone else, thought getting the  likes of Venables, Reid and McAllister should be the silver bullet to our problems. Naive to say the least. There is a managerial “merry go round” involving a lot of big name managers who have in reality achieved fuck all, who flit from club to club, because supporters want a “name”. Guess what, 95% of managers are not gonna achieve what fans expect, and unless you are Man City or Chelsea, you are not gonna get the 5% gold dust. There is no magic formula to getting the right manager to do the job, as Warnock has proved by failing miserably at Leeds but having relative success elsewhere. Let’s not kid ourselves that average chumps like Brian McDermott, who wasted a whole transfer budget on Luke Murphy, are so much better than a Hockaday or some dodgy Slav. The right man is out there, but let’s not pretend it’s so easy to just go out and get him. The latest set up with Orta is certainly going to hinder any future incumbent.


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I disagree, Venables and Reid in all honesty had peaked and were no longer the potent force of previous days and plus the squad was in decline. The fact is all the managers we've recruited have not been sufficiently funded in terms of player recruitment. There have also been some truly shocking managerial appointments, for all your harping on and submissive mentality (we're not a big club anymore bollocks) we are attracting 30,000 at home and that reflects that we are still a force. We are still a big club but have attracted league one shyster owners and managers, who use the club as cash cow or to enhance their CV. We don't need to be a 'Man City or a Chelsea' ffs, just look at what other clubs (Huddersfield, Wolves, Burnley) have achieved with a little foresight, investment and ambition (everything we lack) it's the parasite owners that have drained the life out this club, and apathetic and compliant fans like yourself that are also part of the problem.     
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Joined: October 25th, 2007, 2:08 pm

April 15th, 2018, 4:50 pm #17

overman8 wrote:
spezial wrote:
ovywhite wrote: We CAN, but we WONT, pay the rate, simple as that.
We've had plenty come here, warnock was the one many thought would say it as it is but didn't utter a thing, also couldn't inspire the squad to much either, its a poison chalice at ER.
The club is rotten to the core, makes me seriously wonder if bates is still pulling the strings, who's to say bates isn't the godfather above the rest !! we have no proof otherwise either have we ??
I don’t think paying the dough and getting the big names is the problem Ovy. We have appointed across the whole managerial spectrum, from the unheard of 56 year old English guys to mysterious Eastern Europeans, The Championship “specialists” Warnock and McDermott, but some of the biggest failures have been the biggest names in British football. Terry Venables and Peter Reid never looked like achieving success despite their highest of profiles, and the failure of such a majestic footballer as Gary Mcallister, whose credentials fitted our club more than anyone, were absolutely astounding. Sutton United anyone ? A lot of Leeds fans have a massive sense of entitlement, not you Ovy, and when they used to slag Kevin Blackwell off , who by the way got us closer to the promised land than anyone else, thought getting the  likes of Venables, Reid and McAllister should be the silver bullet to our problems. Naive to say the least. There is a managerial “merry go round” involving a lot of big name managers who have in reality achieved fuck all, who flit from club to club, because supporters want a “name”. Guess what, 95% of managers are not gonna achieve what fans expect, and unless you are Man City or Chelsea, you are not gonna get the 5% gold dust. There is no magic formula to getting the right manager to do the job, as Warnock has proved by failing miserably at Leeds but having relative success elsewhere. Let’s not kid ourselves that average chumps like Brian McDermott, who wasted a whole transfer budget on Luke Murphy, are so much better than a Hockaday or some dodgy Slav. The right man is out there, but let’s not pretend it’s so easy to just go out and get him. The latest set up with Orta is certainly going to hinder any future incumbent.


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I disagree, Venables and Reid in all honesty had peaked and were no longer the potent force of previous days and plus the squad was in decline. The fact is all the managers we've recruited have not been sufficiently funded in terms of player recruitment. There have also been some truly shocking managerial appointments, for all your harping on and submissive mentality (we're not a big club anymore bollocks) we are attracting 30,000 at home and that reflects that we are still a force. We are still a big club but have attracted league one shyster owners and managers, who use the club as cash cow or to enhance their CV. We don't need to be a 'Man City or a Chelsea' ffs, just look at what other clubs (Huddersfield, Wolves, Burnley) have achieved with a little foresight, investment and ambition (everything we lack) it's the parasite owners that have drained the life out this club, and apathetic and compliant fans like yourself that are also part of the problem.     
Harking back Venables was passed his sell-by-date, he should of done better with the talent at his disposal. It was hardly a squad in decline during the Ridsdale debacle. The likes of Lennon, Milner and Rose were still coming off the conveyor belt, despite the mess. I've said it before and most have mentioned it. There is a lack of foresight and forward thinking, and it continues to this day, surely it's not rocket science.

Monk (good riddance) put us in a reasonable place. AR had a full pre-season to plan ahead, what does do? Hire a non-entity from the Cypriot league, once in a while an unknown comes up trumps, but normally they will have something on their CV that stands out, and yes there is an element of luck. For this was just bargain basement shopping. He sacks TC and hires a manager who's battling against relegation, OK Heckingbottom is supposedly up and coming but when?

We've shown no ambition during the last two January transfer windows, which just about sums us up. The noises that come out of ER prior to these windows is that 'we're happy with our lot' whereas all our rivals are strengthening, because they are determined to push on for a promotion place. Why don't we ever think like this? 

As for a DoF why do we need one? What happened to old fashioned scouting? A DoF are for clubs with a large budget who can afford to be spendthrift and make the odd mistake. We are still big enough with a large catchment area that will still attract the best youngsters, however they only need one good season in the first team and they're off to pastures new. It goes back to that lack of ambition and plan to move this club forward.
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Joined: February 2nd, 2008, 11:12 am

April 15th, 2018, 7:05 pm #18

Hence why that wanker in charge must go asap and take the rest of the parasites with him, why won't anyone with a long term plan come in and buy us out ? we are a big club crying out for investment and in the right hands to be moved forward, could it be that bates has put something in place to stop it happening ??
I think of the many thousands ££££ that I've spent watching the team over the world these past 50 years and this is what its come to, I won't be spending anymore now though till theres a massive change in personnel .
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