Zach Hyman...will he make the bigs or will he not?

Zach Hyman...will he make the bigs or will he not?

Joined: September 7th, 2004, 8:54 pm

January 16th, 2011, 10:11 pm #1

Often we look at a player who excels at junior hockey and we begin to speculate whether he will make it at the next level.

One of the things one looks for is that player's ability to adjust his game so that he gives himself the best chance at succeeding at the next level.

We look at prolific numbers in junior and assume that is what he has to carry with him to the next level.

It is never that simple.

We have all heard of such players. Big numbers in junior. Yet he's transformed into a good 3rd or 4th line NHL player.

And we see guys who lit it up in junior both major and tier 2 but fall by the wayside after that, never to be heard of at the next levels of hockey.

Simply because they either did not or could not adapt their games to be successful at the next level. We see those who try to continue to do what mafe them successful at the junior level. And we see them not capable of making the changes required to stick at the next level.

We often see guys with big numbers at the tier two level but don't have the same success at the major junior level.The OJHL is full of them.

I remember a fellow by the name of Scott Fleming a few years ago who had a wonderful career with the tier two Wellington Dukes. He increased his offensive numbers each year he played there. Then when he went to the ECAC with Dartmouth, he did it again.

As much as I loved this guy's play, I could not ever say whether he had what it takes for the next level. But it turns out he did. But whether that is the end of the road for him is hard to say.

Scott Fleming
Forward
Born Jan 6 1988 -- Plainfield, ONT
Height 5.11 -- Weight 170 -- Shoots L
Regular Season Playoffs
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
2004-05 Wellington Dukes OPJHL 44 3 10 13 8
2005-06 Wellington Dukes OPJHL 49 15 31 46 24
2006-07 Wellington Dukes OPJHL 48 28 40 68 26
2007-08 Dartmouth College ECAC 32 6 5 11 6
2008-09 Dartmouth College ECAC 31 13 12 25 14
2009-10 Dartmouth College ECAC 32 22 17 39 39
2010-11 Dartmouth College ECAC 17 8 12 20 2

This is the kind of thing that is looked for when considering a player's promotion to another level of hockey.

And whether Fleming can increase his numbers this year as he's done every year he played at both levels, remains to be seen.

I guess what I am trying to say that whether a player can play at the next level of hockey has as much to do with his the ability of his skillset, health, adaptibility and willingness to accept a different role and last of all, some luck.

And whether Zach Hyman or anybody else has it for the next step, is premature, at this point, to say whether he has or hasn't.

One thing for sure. Most of us wish him well in his hockey future. And we will be the first to applaud him should he go on to stardom at the next levels of hockey. Afterall, we are all OJHL fans and can say we saw him play.

Remember how dynamic Andrew Cogliano was with St. Michael's? He is playing in the NHL now. Good for him.

However, he isn't the same dynamic player he was at tier two level but he got there by knowing he had likely to adapt his game if he wanted to stick around. He found out pretty quickly, that his future was not likely to be another Mario or Gretz.

Now Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle or John Tavares are some of those prolific major junior players? Will they evolve or transform in order to stick around at the NHL level?

Most will agree they'll be around at the highest level for some time. But what they leave as their legacies is yet to be determined.



Stay tuned.








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Joined: March 17th, 2003, 8:57 pm

January 17th, 2011, 1:10 am #2


<strong>Whether young Zach makes it to the bigs or not I certainly hope that he is afforded a fair opportunity based on his own credentials and not the influences that surround him!</strong>

<strong>When you mentioned Andrew Cogliano and his success of becoming a regular in the NHL, I clearly remember him playing against our Georgetown Raiders during the Dudley Hewitt held here in town and how I mentioned to my wife how I believed he was destined for the pros!</strong>

<strong>Wayne I also remember watching Mark Giordano when he played with the Brampton Capitals who were the OHA Provincial Champions under Mario Chicchilo, I believe it was 2002. At that time Giordano wasn't a standout, steady indeed but not spectacular.</strong>

<strong>He was however teachable and bought into the coaching philosophies around him which ultimately earned him a well deserved roster spot with the Calgary Flames!</strong> 
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January 17th, 2011, 5:23 am #3

To this day, I'd say Giordano is steady but not spectacular in the NHL, and that's definitely a compliment. Every team needs that type of steady defencemen, players who are teachable and give 100%.
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Joined: January 17th, 2011, 7:52 pm

January 17th, 2011, 7:54 pm #4

Often we look at a player who excels at junior hockey and we begin to speculate whether he will make it at the next level.

One of the things one looks for is that player's ability to adjust his game so that he gives himself the best chance at succeeding at the next level.

We look at prolific numbers in junior and assume that is what he has to carry with him to the next level.

It is never that simple.

We have all heard of such players. Big numbers in junior. Yet he's transformed into a good 3rd or 4th line NHL player.

And we see guys who lit it up in junior both major and tier 2 but fall by the wayside after that, never to be heard of at the next levels of hockey.

Simply because they either did not or could not adapt their games to be successful at the next level. We see those who try to continue to do what mafe them successful at the junior level. And we see them not capable of making the changes required to stick at the next level.

We often see guys with big numbers at the tier two level but don't have the same success at the major junior level.The OJHL is full of them.

I remember a fellow by the name of Scott Fleming a few years ago who had a wonderful career with the tier two Wellington Dukes. He increased his offensive numbers each year he played there. Then when he went to the ECAC with Dartmouth, he did it again.

As much as I loved this guy's play, I could not ever say whether he had what it takes for the next level. But it turns out he did. But whether that is the end of the road for him is hard to say.

Scott Fleming
Forward
Born Jan 6 1988 -- Plainfield, ONT
Height 5.11 -- Weight 170 -- Shoots L
Regular Season Playoffs
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
2004-05 Wellington Dukes OPJHL 44 3 10 13 8
2005-06 Wellington Dukes OPJHL 49 15 31 46 24
2006-07 Wellington Dukes OPJHL 48 28 40 68 26
2007-08 Dartmouth College ECAC 32 6 5 11 6
2008-09 Dartmouth College ECAC 31 13 12 25 14
2009-10 Dartmouth College ECAC 32 22 17 39 39
2010-11 Dartmouth College ECAC 17 8 12 20 2

This is the kind of thing that is looked for when considering a player's promotion to another level of hockey.

And whether Fleming can increase his numbers this year as he's done every year he played at both levels, remains to be seen.

I guess what I am trying to say that whether a player can play at the next level of hockey has as much to do with his the ability of his skillset, health, adaptibility and willingness to accept a different role and last of all, some luck.

And whether Zach Hyman or anybody else has it for the next step, is premature, at this point, to say whether he has or hasn't.

One thing for sure. Most of us wish him well in his hockey future. And we will be the first to applaud him should he go on to stardom at the next levels of hockey. Afterall, we are all OJHL fans and can say we saw him play.

Remember how dynamic Andrew Cogliano was with St. Michael's? He is playing in the NHL now. Good for him.

However, he isn't the same dynamic player he was at tier two level but he got there by knowing he had likely to adapt his game if he wanted to stick around. He found out pretty quickly, that his future was not likely to be another Mario or Gretz.

Now Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle or John Tavares are some of those prolific major junior players? Will they evolve or transform in order to stick around at the NHL level?

Most will agree they'll be around at the highest level for some time. But what they leave as their legacies is yet to be determined.



Stay tuned.








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January 17th, 2011, 11:22 pm #5

Mr Hammer cares. I wondered how long it would take for this thread to turn negative.

"If you cant say anthing nice then shut up"=--------My Mom.

Honestly hasnt this subject been beaten to death in one form or another.?
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January 20th, 2011, 5:59 am #6

I have spoken with a former coach of Mr. Zach Hyman and posed the same question to him. He has no relationship with the Hymans anymore or the Red Wings.

His response....."that kid has earned everything he has ever gotten." " He carries himself like a man, and you wouldnt ever get the impression that he feels like he is owed anything."

Whether he makes the big leagues or not, he will definelty get a great education at Princeton. Good Luck Zach.
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Joined: October 7th, 2008, 4:36 pm

January 20th, 2011, 6:03 pm #7

Whether he makes the big leagues or not, he will definelty get a great education at Princeton. Good Luck Zach.

Well, one of the reasons he is going there is because his dad raises a lot of money for the Princeton hockey program. And Im sure the Princeton hockey coaches are well compensated for looking after the Red Wings and specially the Hyman family. Not saying this is the only reason but Im sure the Princeton coaches feel a little obligation for the $$$ they recieve. I dont mean this to be negative but its a fact. The U.S D1 programs are full of players with rich dads who donate to the schools big $$$$ or bring their teams down for their socalled summer hockey programs which in reality are fund raisers for the schools and only benefit the chosen few. Players should stay away from a junior team when that team wants to charge you $$$$ for a summer hockey program say at Cornell, Princeton etc.
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Joined: November 26th, 2005, 7:27 pm

January 20th, 2011, 6:05 pm #8

WHO! CARES
I do...It is a big step if a Junior A player makes the NHL, not many have really done it before.
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Joined: January 11th, 2005, 3:40 am

January 20th, 2011, 6:35 pm #9

Former Red Wings Jeremy Goodwin and Marc Hagel are on the Tigers roster though neither has played many games this season.
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Joined: December 18th, 2005, 4:28 pm

January 20th, 2011, 7:01 pm #10

John Madden who spent 10 yrs with the New Jersey Devils before moving to the Wild and Black Hawks, made it to the NHL and never played even Tier II Junior "A" hockey, Madden's only Junior hockey was played with the Barrie Colt's OHA Junior "B" team. He was drafted by the Niagara Falls Thunder from the Junior "B" Colts after he scored 228 pts in two years 1992 & 1993 with the Colts. He did not report to the Thunder, but rather accepted an NCAA Scholarship to the University of Michigan and played 4 years for the Wolverines under Red Berenson. At Michigan he set a record for most career shorthanded goals. He was signed by the Devils in 1997 as an amateur free agent.

True, not many make it from OHA Junior "A" however John Madden made it from the OHA Junior "B" ranks, pretty good accomplishment I would say.

John's younger brother Scott played in our league for Lindsay and later for Newmarket, don't know where Scott is today.

It can be done, but the successful players are few and far between.
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