MY TRIP

MY TRIP

Paul
Paul

November 29th, 2007, 12:27 am #1

Hello. My name is Paul. I am from Rigby, Idaho. I am 19 years old. I am going to climb the Idaho twelve thousand foot peaks this winter without vehicle transportation. In honor of Christopher McCandless who is portrayed in the book Into the Wild I will be doing this with only a 10lb bag of rice, 20lbs of venison, and mostly homemade equipment. Will use store boughten boots and backpack. Will replenish supplies I have cached this fall in 3 locations. This includes boots and venison.

I made all of my own clothes this summer and even my own tent and sleeping bag. The sleeping bag was this fall though because it required a deer skin and I had to wait for hunting season to shoot the deer to harvest the pelt. Used part of the deer skin for snow shoes and the teeth for crampon like devices that go under my boots when needed.

I don't want any fanfare that is not the purpose of this post! I do just want to let you know my trip plan and listen to some comments after I post.

My plan:
1) Take INEL bus to Idaho 22/28 junction arriving on 12/22/2007

2) Hike US 28 to directly east of Mount Diamond
(12/22/2007 to 12/24/2007)

3) Hike from US 28 to Mount Diamond, descend west slopes to Little Lost Valley
(12/25/2007 to 12/29/2007)

4) Follow road in Little Lost Valley down to Howe
(12/29/2007 to 12/31/2007)

5) Follow US20 from Howe to Arco then US 93 from Arco to Mackay Reservoir
(1/1/2008 to 1/8/2008)

6) Climb Mount Lost River, Mount Breitenbach, Mount Donaldson, Mount Church, Mount Leatherman, Mount Idaho, and Mount Borah (1/9/2008 to 1/24/2008)

7) Follow Mount Borah road to US 93, US 93 to Trail Creek Road, Trail Creek Road to ID 75, ID 75 to East Fork Road, follow east fork road to Mount Hyndman Trailhead
(1/25/2008 to 2/5/2008)

8) Climb Mount Hyndman from normal route
(2/6/2008 to 2/8/2008)

9) Hike back to ID 75 and down to Hailey
(2/9/2008 to 2/11/2008)

10) My older sister Sharon drives me back to Rigby

NOW I WANT TO HEAR OPINIONS
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GP
GP

November 29th, 2007, 12:51 am #2

Better count your fingers and toes now (also take some pictures of them) because it will probably be the only way you'll remember them by springtime.
Into the Wild ended the way it did for a very good reason, challenges are good but stupidity is severely rewarded.
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deanlords
deanlords

November 29th, 2007, 2:43 am #3

Man, i wish i had the guts to try this. Pretty inspiring if you ask me. Crazy, but who didn't do crazy things when they were 19???

At age 19 i left home with $35 in my pocket. $5 of which i borrowed from a friend at the grocery store on my way out of town. I spent that entire summer climbing in Yosemite and returned home months later with $6 dollars to my name. Good thing too as i didn't have a job to pay my friend back!! No lie.

If you put your mind and muscle into action, and with a little bit of faith, you can reach far beyond the scope of briliance. Good luck and don't be afraid to fail. It's part of the journey.
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Dan
Dan

November 29th, 2007, 2:44 am #4

Hello. My name is Paul. I am from Rigby, Idaho. I am 19 years old. I am going to climb the Idaho twelve thousand foot peaks this winter without vehicle transportation. In honor of Christopher McCandless who is portrayed in the book Into the Wild I will be doing this with only a 10lb bag of rice, 20lbs of venison, and mostly homemade equipment. Will use store boughten boots and backpack. Will replenish supplies I have cached this fall in 3 locations. This includes boots and venison.

I made all of my own clothes this summer and even my own tent and sleeping bag. The sleeping bag was this fall though because it required a deer skin and I had to wait for hunting season to shoot the deer to harvest the pelt. Used part of the deer skin for snow shoes and the teeth for crampon like devices that go under my boots when needed.

I don't want any fanfare that is not the purpose of this post! I do just want to let you know my trip plan and listen to some comments after I post.

My plan:
1) Take INEL bus to Idaho 22/28 junction arriving on 12/22/2007

2) Hike US 28 to directly east of Mount Diamond
(12/22/2007 to 12/24/2007)

3) Hike from US 28 to Mount Diamond, descend west slopes to Little Lost Valley
(12/25/2007 to 12/29/2007)

4) Follow road in Little Lost Valley down to Howe
(12/29/2007 to 12/31/2007)

5) Follow US20 from Howe to Arco then US 93 from Arco to Mackay Reservoir
(1/1/2008 to 1/8/2008)

6) Climb Mount Lost River, Mount Breitenbach, Mount Donaldson, Mount Church, Mount Leatherman, Mount Idaho, and Mount Borah (1/9/2008 to 1/24/2008)

7) Follow Mount Borah road to US 93, US 93 to Trail Creek Road, Trail Creek Road to ID 75, ID 75 to East Fork Road, follow east fork road to Mount Hyndman Trailhead
(1/25/2008 to 2/5/2008)

8) Climb Mount Hyndman from normal route
(2/6/2008 to 2/8/2008)

9) Hike back to ID 75 and down to Hailey
(2/9/2008 to 2/11/2008)

10) My older sister Sharon drives me back to Rigby

NOW I WANT TO HEAR OPINIONS
How did you come up with your timelines?

Will you will be returning to the valley floor after each peak in the Lost Rivers or doing a traverse?

How will you cook your food?

Do you have communication means to the outside world should you get sick, break a leg, etc...?

What kind of winter camping and alpine climbing experience do you have?

How do you plan to keep your feet warm?
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Dan
Dan

November 29th, 2007, 2:46 am #5

Oh, and good luck. I think it is honorable that you came here for our opinion. I am assuming you are going to use that to cover your a$$ should you not have thought of something.
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Mike F.
Mike F.

November 29th, 2007, 2:47 am #6

Better count your fingers and toes now (also take some pictures of them) because it will probably be the only way you'll remember them by springtime.
Into the Wild ended the way it did for a very good reason, challenges are good but stupidity is severely rewarded.
Have you climbed the twelvers in the summer? I have been up three so far and those where the easiest of them. I don't think I would want to tackle any of them in sub-zero weather with proper clothing, but thats just me. maybe consider exploring the terrain on snowshoes in the winter to get a taste of the conditions at hand where a safe retreat to your car would be possible rather then to worry about getting stuck and suffering from hypothermia.
but thats just my take on it. Best of luck in your travels.
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November 29th, 2007, 3:08 am #7

Hello. My name is Paul. I am from Rigby, Idaho. I am 19 years old. I am going to climb the Idaho twelve thousand foot peaks this winter without vehicle transportation. In honor of Christopher McCandless who is portrayed in the book Into the Wild I will be doing this with only a 10lb bag of rice, 20lbs of venison, and mostly homemade equipment. Will use store boughten boots and backpack. Will replenish supplies I have cached this fall in 3 locations. This includes boots and venison.

I made all of my own clothes this summer and even my own tent and sleeping bag. The sleeping bag was this fall though because it required a deer skin and I had to wait for hunting season to shoot the deer to harvest the pelt. Used part of the deer skin for snow shoes and the teeth for crampon like devices that go under my boots when needed.

I don't want any fanfare that is not the purpose of this post! I do just want to let you know my trip plan and listen to some comments after I post.

My plan:
1) Take INEL bus to Idaho 22/28 junction arriving on 12/22/2007

2) Hike US 28 to directly east of Mount Diamond
(12/22/2007 to 12/24/2007)

3) Hike from US 28 to Mount Diamond, descend west slopes to Little Lost Valley
(12/25/2007 to 12/29/2007)

4) Follow road in Little Lost Valley down to Howe
(12/29/2007 to 12/31/2007)

5) Follow US20 from Howe to Arco then US 93 from Arco to Mackay Reservoir
(1/1/2008 to 1/8/2008)

6) Climb Mount Lost River, Mount Breitenbach, Mount Donaldson, Mount Church, Mount Leatherman, Mount Idaho, and Mount Borah (1/9/2008 to 1/24/2008)

7) Follow Mount Borah road to US 93, US 93 to Trail Creek Road, Trail Creek Road to ID 75, ID 75 to East Fork Road, follow east fork road to Mount Hyndman Trailhead
(1/25/2008 to 2/5/2008)

8) Climb Mount Hyndman from normal route
(2/6/2008 to 2/8/2008)

9) Hike back to ID 75 and down to Hailey
(2/9/2008 to 2/11/2008)

10) My older sister Sharon drives me back to Rigby

NOW I WANT TO HEAR OPINIONS
Paul,

First, test your gear. Take several 2,3, and 4 night backcountry trips in bad conditions and verify that you'll stay warm and your tent can survive high winds and big snow loads.

Second, do you have over the snow gear, like snowshoes or skis? You'll likely find areas with 10 feet of snow.

Third, do you have avalanche training? You will be in some really high avalanche terrian, and a good knowledge of avalanche evaluation will be necessary for safety.

Fourth, are you 100% sure you can find your caches? The area will look different in winter than it did in the fall. Are you sure your caches won't be found by other people or bears, and won't be buried under 20 feet of avalanche debris?

And finally, I know it violates the spirit of the trip, but take a cell phone, conserve the battery power, and check in with your family every day or so. You're covering a lot of ground, and if you slip and break a leg, the searchers won't know where to look and you'll likely never be found. Remember, McCandless got trapped and died of starvation.

Good luck. This would be heck of a trip if you can pull it off.
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brendon
brendon

November 29th, 2007, 5:24 am #8

Hello. My name is Paul. I am from Rigby, Idaho. I am 19 years old. I am going to climb the Idaho twelve thousand foot peaks this winter without vehicle transportation. In honor of Christopher McCandless who is portrayed in the book Into the Wild I will be doing this with only a 10lb bag of rice, 20lbs of venison, and mostly homemade equipment. Will use store boughten boots and backpack. Will replenish supplies I have cached this fall in 3 locations. This includes boots and venison.

I made all of my own clothes this summer and even my own tent and sleeping bag. The sleeping bag was this fall though because it required a deer skin and I had to wait for hunting season to shoot the deer to harvest the pelt. Used part of the deer skin for snow shoes and the teeth for crampon like devices that go under my boots when needed.

I don't want any fanfare that is not the purpose of this post! I do just want to let you know my trip plan and listen to some comments after I post.

My plan:
1) Take INEL bus to Idaho 22/28 junction arriving on 12/22/2007

2) Hike US 28 to directly east of Mount Diamond
(12/22/2007 to 12/24/2007)

3) Hike from US 28 to Mount Diamond, descend west slopes to Little Lost Valley
(12/25/2007 to 12/29/2007)

4) Follow road in Little Lost Valley down to Howe
(12/29/2007 to 12/31/2007)

5) Follow US20 from Howe to Arco then US 93 from Arco to Mackay Reservoir
(1/1/2008 to 1/8/2008)

6) Climb Mount Lost River, Mount Breitenbach, Mount Donaldson, Mount Church, Mount Leatherman, Mount Idaho, and Mount Borah (1/9/2008 to 1/24/2008)

7) Follow Mount Borah road to US 93, US 93 to Trail Creek Road, Trail Creek Road to ID 75, ID 75 to East Fork Road, follow east fork road to Mount Hyndman Trailhead
(1/25/2008 to 2/5/2008)

8) Climb Mount Hyndman from normal route
(2/6/2008 to 2/8/2008)

9) Hike back to ID 75 and down to Hailey
(2/9/2008 to 2/11/2008)

10) My older sister Sharon drives me back to Rigby

NOW I WANT TO HEAR OPINIONS
Where did you leave your caches? Why walk all the way to Howe and Arco? Go through Pass Creek.

12/22 - 2/11 is a fair amount of time. If it were summer or fall I'd say go for it with no reservations. Winter is different and there are a lot more hazards. Obviously you hunt, but winter alpine is a different set of skills. Maybe try Diamond or a high 11er right now to see if you want to do that 9 more times in winter conditions.

Have a way to check in with family and get the latest daily weather forecast. You don't want to bivy at 10k and have a surprise winter storm catch you. Perhaps get connections in the valleys in case you need to go indoors.

Plus what everybody else already said...

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November 29th, 2007, 6:10 am #9

Hello. My name is Paul. I am from Rigby, Idaho. I am 19 years old. I am going to climb the Idaho twelve thousand foot peaks this winter without vehicle transportation. In honor of Christopher McCandless who is portrayed in the book Into the Wild I will be doing this with only a 10lb bag of rice, 20lbs of venison, and mostly homemade equipment. Will use store boughten boots and backpack. Will replenish supplies I have cached this fall in 3 locations. This includes boots and venison.

I made all of my own clothes this summer and even my own tent and sleeping bag. The sleeping bag was this fall though because it required a deer skin and I had to wait for hunting season to shoot the deer to harvest the pelt. Used part of the deer skin for snow shoes and the teeth for crampon like devices that go under my boots when needed.

I don't want any fanfare that is not the purpose of this post! I do just want to let you know my trip plan and listen to some comments after I post.

My plan:
1) Take INEL bus to Idaho 22/28 junction arriving on 12/22/2007

2) Hike US 28 to directly east of Mount Diamond
(12/22/2007 to 12/24/2007)

3) Hike from US 28 to Mount Diamond, descend west slopes to Little Lost Valley
(12/25/2007 to 12/29/2007)

4) Follow road in Little Lost Valley down to Howe
(12/29/2007 to 12/31/2007)

5) Follow US20 from Howe to Arco then US 93 from Arco to Mackay Reservoir
(1/1/2008 to 1/8/2008)

6) Climb Mount Lost River, Mount Breitenbach, Mount Donaldson, Mount Church, Mount Leatherman, Mount Idaho, and Mount Borah (1/9/2008 to 1/24/2008)

7) Follow Mount Borah road to US 93, US 93 to Trail Creek Road, Trail Creek Road to ID 75, ID 75 to East Fork Road, follow east fork road to Mount Hyndman Trailhead
(1/25/2008 to 2/5/2008)

8) Climb Mount Hyndman from normal route
(2/6/2008 to 2/8/2008)

9) Hike back to ID 75 and down to Hailey
(2/9/2008 to 2/11/2008)

10) My older sister Sharon drives me back to Rigby

NOW I WANT TO HEAR OPINIONS
That sounds like a fabulous goal and I'm sure you'll do great. I like how "back to basics" the equipment and style is. If your in superb shape and have top survival skills, you should be able to pull this off. I look forward to a trip report after.
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Dude
Dude

November 29th, 2007, 6:42 am #10

Hello. My name is Paul. I am from Rigby, Idaho. I am 19 years old. I am going to climb the Idaho twelve thousand foot peaks this winter without vehicle transportation. In honor of Christopher McCandless who is portrayed in the book Into the Wild I will be doing this with only a 10lb bag of rice, 20lbs of venison, and mostly homemade equipment. Will use store boughten boots and backpack. Will replenish supplies I have cached this fall in 3 locations. This includes boots and venison.

I made all of my own clothes this summer and even my own tent and sleeping bag. The sleeping bag was this fall though because it required a deer skin and I had to wait for hunting season to shoot the deer to harvest the pelt. Used part of the deer skin for snow shoes and the teeth for crampon like devices that go under my boots when needed.

I don't want any fanfare that is not the purpose of this post! I do just want to let you know my trip plan and listen to some comments after I post.

My plan:
1) Take INEL bus to Idaho 22/28 junction arriving on 12/22/2007

2) Hike US 28 to directly east of Mount Diamond
(12/22/2007 to 12/24/2007)

3) Hike from US 28 to Mount Diamond, descend west slopes to Little Lost Valley
(12/25/2007 to 12/29/2007)

4) Follow road in Little Lost Valley down to Howe
(12/29/2007 to 12/31/2007)

5) Follow US20 from Howe to Arco then US 93 from Arco to Mackay Reservoir
(1/1/2008 to 1/8/2008)

6) Climb Mount Lost River, Mount Breitenbach, Mount Donaldson, Mount Church, Mount Leatherman, Mount Idaho, and Mount Borah (1/9/2008 to 1/24/2008)

7) Follow Mount Borah road to US 93, US 93 to Trail Creek Road, Trail Creek Road to ID 75, ID 75 to East Fork Road, follow east fork road to Mount Hyndman Trailhead
(1/25/2008 to 2/5/2008)

8) Climb Mount Hyndman from normal route
(2/6/2008 to 2/8/2008)

9) Hike back to ID 75 and down to Hailey
(2/9/2008 to 2/11/2008)

10) My older sister Sharon drives me back to Rigby

NOW I WANT TO HEAR OPINIONS
Serious? Wow, that is something. Last winter I thought about a winter assult on Borah and asked around about it. Finally I decided to try it in May and it still sent me home with LOTS of soft snow on the ridge and no easy footing and major wind.

I do love the story of McCandless, but I really don't respect him. Hard to say though as I never met him and have to get information from second hand accounts.

You do however sound a bit more realistic about what your getting into (if indeed you are). I agree with the store bought boots and a decent pack. Depending on the materials you use to make your cloths you should be fine. Experience will be key in the end. I would hate to rely on luck in this situation.

Try your gear out and get a feel for it all and make sure it all works. Then, by all means give it a shot. Worst case you die, better you are cold, hungry and miserable and abort, best you make it.

I wish you luck, your idea does inspire and I hope it all goes well.
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