Directed force putters

Directed force putters

Joined: May 20th, 2012, 8:01 pm

February 17th, 2016, 5:03 pm #1

Hey Geoff,
Wanted to see if you have heard of or had any opinions on the directed force putter? It claims to be lie angle balanced and will not rotate off the lie angle once the stroke begins. They have a little gadget they use to demonstrate how much normal putters and normal face balance putters rotate all of the place without conscious hand control. Just wanted to see what you thought of them.
http://youtu.be/gN4RUpYH55w

Thanks,
Stuart
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February 21st, 2016, 9:59 pm #2

Geoff.... good to see your interest in Directed Force Putter with this posting. I trust my past comments were also helpful in your analysis of this new putter, namely:

Geoff…. what is your opinion on the DF Putter and the claims made for SBST putting stroke jig to demonstrate the putter stroke stability.

Website: http://www.directedforce.com/

Here are the four YouTube videos made by Bill Presse, the inventor and owner of the company:

Introducing Directed Force Putters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN4RUpYH55w

Putter Arc Demonstration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RClqTCn39A

PressGrips - Integrated Forward Press Technology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdS0L4W20rs

Remote Fitting Instructions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H09-tuLeQnM

Also, here are the Presse patents for the DF putter and grip for your information:

8,932,148 -- Elliptical golf club grip

9,233,280 -- Self-balancing putter

IIRC, you are or have been involved with a putter company for design advice. The DF putter looks interesting based on the claims. Thanks.
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March 24th, 2016, 2:58 am #3

Hey Geoff,
Wanted to see if you have heard of or had any opinions on the directed force putter? It claims to be lie angle balanced and will not rotate off the lie angle once the stroke begins. They have a little gadget they use to demonstrate how much normal putters and normal face balance putters rotate all of the place without conscious hand control. Just wanted to see what you thought of them.
http://youtu.be/gN4RUpYH55w

Thanks,
Stuart
I'm with Stuart... Geoff, what say you?
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March 23rd, 2017, 4:29 am #4

Dear Folks,

Forgive me if I "don't give a sh*t about putter gimmicks". They are about as helpful as a freckle on the butt.

The gizmo on the DF putter illustrates some design physics resisting twisting in the back and thru, at least when the putter is soled flat to the ground and the motion is not greatly tilted. But what happens when the golfer's body motion contradicts the putter head physics -- who wins? I hate to pop your bubble of hope (actually, don't hate it at all), but the golfer's physics is almost always GREATER than the putter head's pitifully weak little physics. The arms are ten times more massive than the entire putter, and probably 20 times more massive than the putter head, and probably 50-100 times more massive than any special weighting scheme that is responsible for the putter head's interesting, weak physics.

If the putter head's physics are sufficiently strong that they OVERRULE my body motion pattern, so that I FEEL the putter head twisting its handle inside my grip, I'll call you and tell you what lake I helicoptered that crap into.

Get skill. It's 20-100 times more helpful than any "little physics" in a putter design.

Or in other words, stop obsessing about putters and try to meet the skills demands posed by the game of golf with "reasonable" equipment wielded with "big boy" physics.

Cheers!

Geoff Mangum
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March 24th, 2017, 9:30 pm #5

I agree with you, Geoff, but the reality is that most rec golfers are jocks who can never be wrong.

They will blame the equipment before they acknowledge the problem lies within themselves. I have met many men who believe they are never wrong whether it's about golf or in life; and they cannot admit fault because it would destroy their bloated psyche about themselves. They don't listen to a knowledgeable person like yourself and prefer to blame their clubs and searching for a brand new magic putter usually used by their favorite pro.

What I find humorous is that no putter comes with instructions on how to use it. Just grab it off the shelf, buy it and run to the golf course to show off your new weapon. Sorry for my cynicism, but it has to be said... normal men attempting to play golf without paying the price of sensible practice. That's reality.
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October 20th, 2017, 5:27 am #6

Dear Folks,

Forgive me if I "don't give a sh*t about putter gimmicks". They are about as helpful as a freckle on the butt.

The gizmo on the DF putter illustrates some design physics resisting twisting in the back and thru, at least when the putter is soled flat to the ground and the motion is not greatly tilted. But what happens when the golfer's body motion contradicts the putter head physics -- who wins? I hate to pop your bubble of hope (actually, don't hate it at all), but the golfer's physics is almost always GREATER than the putter head's pitifully weak little physics. The arms are ten times more massive than the entire putter, and probably 20 times more massive than the putter head, and probably 50-100 times more massive than any special weighting scheme that is responsible for the putter head's interesting, weak physics.

If the putter head's physics are sufficiently strong that they OVERRULE my body motion pattern, so that I FEEL the putter head twisting its handle inside my grip, I'll call you and tell you what lake I helicoptered that crap into.

Get skill. It's 20-100 times more helpful than any "little physics" in a putter design.

Or in other words, stop obsessing about putters and try to meet the skills demands posed by the game of golf with "reasonable" equipment wielded with "big boy" physics.

Cheers!

Geoff Mangum
I agree with the big/little physics analogy, but what about the gripping relationship between the hands and putter handle?

We have the standard grip, the reverse grip, the claw grip, the long putter split grip, the Big Superstroke grip with the thumbs side by side.

The gripping is the interface between the big and little physics and it seems like there is no effective solution that is satisfactory for all.

Perhaps you've commented on this dichotomy before, but could you elaborate once again? Thanks.
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