Whither CPGB-ML?

Whither CPGB-ML?

Perry Striker
Perry Striker

August 11th, 2010, 12:08 pm #1

Has the CPGB-ML ground to halt or even imploded?

I only ask because their website appears to have ceased operation and the website for their normally active alter egos in the Stalin Society is still only announcing a public meeting for July!

Just wondereing if that initial burst of energy and enthusiasm has now dissipated, given the failure to grow beyond Harpal's extended family, or to make any impact within the real labour movement?

They do have some real talent in their ranks though. I think they should join with Britain's real and only credible and internationally recognised Communist Party, the Communist Party of Britain.

The CPB nowadays is much more explicit and clear about its advocacy of fundamental revolutionary change and the establishment of working class state power. Stalin - a real favourite for the CPGB-ML - is often positively quoted in articles and speeches, and the CPB's identification with countries of real socialism, past and present, is clear and unambiguous.

The place for all communists and genuine revolutionaries today is in the CPB. They would be given a warm welcome.
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Harsanyi_Janos
Harsanyi_Janos

August 11th, 2010, 6:20 pm #2

Harpo's vanity magazine, Lalkar, is still coming out.http://www.lalkar.org/index.php

As for him joining the CPB, he never was a member of the old CP so I doubt he would join (one of) its successors. He seems quite divorced from the UK workers' movement.
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Naomi Campbell
Naomi Campbell

August 11th, 2010, 6:47 pm #3

Has anyone seen the YouTube video of Ella Rule wearing a sleeveless dress? I hate to say it, but she looks quite sexy.
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Paul D
Paul D

August 11th, 2010, 9:20 pm #4

Harpo's vanity magazine, Lalkar, is still coming out.http://www.lalkar.org/index.php

As for him joining the CPB, he never was a member of the old CP so I doubt he would join (one of) its successors. He seems quite divorced from the UK workers' movement.
I cannot speak for the cpb, but in the YCL we have recruited several former cpgb ml members.

They are very good comrades, they are politcally sound in general, especially on the record of socialist countries. However, from what they tell me, is that they got bored in being members of a vanity project.

Unlike in the YCL, they had no real activity to do.

Despite the fact that they were told the CPB was sell-out revisionists, they seem to fit in fine. In fact they have been suprised to find many self-describing stalinists in the organisation.

At the end of the day the CPGB ml was never going to last, lets get back into one party and forget this petty rubbish.
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Harsanyi_Janos
Harsanyi_Janos

August 12th, 2010, 3:19 am #5

"In fact they have been suprised to find many self-describing stalinists in the organisation."

Very nice!
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Mervyn Drage
Mervyn Drage

August 12th, 2010, 1:32 pm #6

Yes, sure there are many self sacrificing, dedicated communists in the CPB, as there were in the old CPGB.

But the fact is that the CPB, established in 1988, out of the ruins of the CPGB which was infiltrated by the state apparatus in the name of"Eurocommunism", is saddled with a non revolutionary, revisionist programme: The British Road To Socialism.

Frankly the CPB is not a revolutionary working class organisation and is not capable of leading the struggle for socialism and working class state power, because:

1) It rejects the necessity of a dictatorship of the proletariat to overthrow the monopoly capitalist dictatorship and maintain working class power of state.

2) Through the Morning Star which it currently controls it publishes all sorts of revisionist and anti communist rubbish; the Morning Star fails to uphold the firm anti imperialist principle of: proletarian internationalism.

3)The CPB fails to promote Marxism Leninism as a living science. The dialectical and historical materialist tools are there for us to apply creatively. Sadly the Morning Star and other CPB publications fail to promote communist education.

To its credit, the CPGB ML does try to adhere to Marxism Leninism and apply it to the current conditions of monopoly capitalist/imperialist rule in the 21st century.The CPGBML also correctly promotes the classical writings of Marx, Engels,Lenin and Stalin. However there is some truth in the fact that the party does tend to revolve around the cult of its leader and most of its leading members live in the West End of London and many are related to the leader of the party. It does not have a national, regional and branch structure.

3)Like the fast fading NCP, the CPB tends to tail the bourgeois Labour Party and creeps behind left labour opportunists and sucks up to the Vote Labour trade union leaders. The role of a real working class Communist Party is to lead the struggle for socialism, not meekly chase after Labour and the Crown's sham democratic Parliament. The role of the Communist Party is to promote the communist cause and build a mass party.

Will write more later on the NCP, RCPBML,CPGBML,CPBML, RCG and other communist groupings.

But very briefly: in our view there are good communists in all these Parties and groupings. What we need to do is bring together all the best, serious, non corruptible revolutionaries in a united Bolshevik type organisation, following the example of the CPSU until 1953 when it became revisionist around Krushchev.

Best Wishes,

Yours Fraternally,

Comrade Mervyn Drage,

For the establishment of a genuine Bolshevik Communist Party in Britain.





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Roger Hollis
Roger Hollis

August 12th, 2010, 4:59 pm #7

"Will write more later on the NCP, RCPBML,CPGBML,CPBML, RCG and other communist groupings."

Great. Look forward to it Mervyn. Are these all parties you have been thrown out of for unacceptable personal behaviour?
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Mervyn Drage
Mervyn Drage

August 12th, 2010, 9:59 pm #8


There is a tendency for people like you Roger Hollis, Jeremy Hawthorn and others to personalise and sloganise rather than engage in a proper, honest communist debate.

We are open to constructive criticism, not personalised nit picking and slander.

Life is a dialectical and also contradictory process; under monopoly capitalism, we struggle to survive and we have to sacrifice if we are dedicated revolutionairies; and obviously, as individuals, we make mistakes.

But so do communist parties.

What you did not do Roger is identify the way forward for the communist movement in Britain.

What we have to admit to is that the communist movement in Britain is tiny and splintered and factionalist, we have to ask why is our communist movement so much smaller than say the movement in Greece and Portugal?

Perhaps it has something to do with Britain being a highly developed imperialist power with a strong ruling class and state apparatus?

Also it is the Labour Party which is at fault; it chases rainbows and pretends to be socialist/ left social democratic when it wants to be; but in essence like the Tories and Lib Dems,it is an integral part of the capitalist dictatorship.

The CPB and NCP should be shouting this fact from the roof tops, not pretending that the Labour Party could be saved if only the lefts and socialists in the Party were in the leadership.

They never will be; the current crop of leadership candidates are all Oxbridge educated, privileged, anti communists and craven apologists for the capitalist dictatorship.

Unions should not be nominating these nobodies for leadership, but should be encouraging working class fighters to assume leadership.

Along the way we have to reject state interference with and control of the unions.

Communists have to stop having petty bourgeois illusions about the Labour Party.

We should be about ditching the Labour Party as a class enemy Party, we should be working in the trade unions and communities to build a united and strong Communist Party.

In Government from 1997-2010, as we all know, Labour promoted pro big business, anti working class policies and its leaders supported every imperialist military adventure with the Yanks and NATO.

The legacy of the last Labour Government was that it was in short: a Party of mass, permanent unemployment and foreign, predatory wars in order to seize raw materials.

It calls itself "Labour" but it has never concerned itself with the toiling workers, underclass and immigrants; on this nothing has changed for nearly 90 years.

It calls itself "Labour" but every time it gets into power it kow tows to the capitalist ruling class and the state apparatus/Crown.

Its a disgrace that Labour and trade union dignitaries should accept awards from the enemy class Monarchy. This is just one example of the failings of the leadership of the labour movement, which both the revisionist CPB and NCP swoon over.

We repeat again: it is the duty of a real, incorruptible Communist Party to build a mass Party and stop tailing Labour. This is the key to our future success. We will of course, and currently do, encounter major opposition from the state apparatus, the media and the anti socialist education system.

It is also the duty of real communists to act in solidarity with Cuba, Vietnam, the DPRK, Palestine, Iran and many anti imperialist nations.

Its also our duty to support the international communist movement, currently based in Athens via the KKE and Solidnet.

Best Wishes,

Yours Fraternally,

Comrade Mervyn Drage.

For the establishment of a genuine Bolshevik type Communist Party in Britain.

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CPB member
CPB member

August 13th, 2010, 1:31 am #9

It's clear that Mervyn Drage thinks - if that's not putting it too highly - entirely in tired and inaccurate stereotypes when it comes to the CPB and its programme (the name of which he can't even get right).

To drone on about the CPB 'swooning over' trade union leaders shows Mervyn up for the clown that he is.

Read Britain's Road to Socialism and then have another try at making an intelligent comment about it, Mervyn. Not the 1978 edition, by the way. Better still, read the new draft announced at this year's Communist University. You might even notice the sharp differentiation the CPB makes between itself and social democracy.

Good luck with your new party. We'll add it to the list of ego-driven, individualistic failures which contribute nothing to the political class struggle. Love the royal 'we', by the way. Who's the other empty vessel?
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Joined: May 13th, 2005, 7:50 am

August 13th, 2010, 9:44 am #10

"Nosism" (noun): "the use of 'we' in speaking of oneself; conceit or self-exultation by a group."

Mark Twain: "Only kings, presidents, editors, and people with tapeworms have the right to use the editorial 'we'."

Which are you, Merv?
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