The Complete Wolverines: 1924-1928 now released

The Complete Wolverines: 1924-1928 now released

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April 12th, 2012, 9:14 pm #1


From the Archeophone Site http://www.archeophone.com/index.php

Off The Record's newest release, <em>The Complete Wolverines: 1924-1928</em> is on sale and shipping immediately. The set reissues for the first time and with great clarity all of the sides made by The Wolverine Orchestra: the groundbreaking records with Bix, the two often-missing Jimmy McPartland sides, and the electrically-recorded sides by the Original Wolverines, featuring McPartland and two other Wolverine alumni. The set features 27 selections and includes a 32-page booklet with notes by David Sager and rare, previously unpublished graphics.

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For details and how to order, visit http://www.archeophone.com/product_info ... cts_id=119

A magnificent CD! It should be owned by all Bixophiles.

- <strong>Produced by Doug Benson and David Sager</strong>.
  <em>Transfer and Restorations </em>by Doug Benson                        
  <em>Research and Notes</em> by David Sager

David is a trombonist, jazz historian, record producer, and a contributor to the Bixography Forum.

I will review the CD after I submit my income tax returns (federal and state) next Monday.

Albert
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Barb Wascher
Barb Wascher

April 13th, 2012, 2:29 pm #2

I'm looking forward to receiving my copy, especially since Rob Bamberger dropped a very broad hint during his radio program that the Tiger Rag runoff groove was included in Mr. Benson's restoration. Will we hear "It SOUNDS better!" with unmistakable clarity after he's wrought his magic?

And if we do, will Mr. Sager address a few questions that have occurred (at least to me) about this recording, including: a) Sounds better than what? b) Who's Bix talking to, anyway? and c) Why did the Gennett engineer keep recording after the band finished playing?

Of course I have my own little theories, but I'll wait to see what the experts have to say. Given the superb work this team has done on previous projects, I'm quite sure all the tracks will sound better than they ever have before, for which I'm most grateful.
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David Sager
David Sager

April 13th, 2012, 3:08 pm #3

Sorry Barb -- I did not refer to the the "ghost voice" at the end of "Tiger Rag." There is always so much to say, and so little room.
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April 13th, 2012, 4:14 pm #4

I'm looking forward to receiving my copy, especially since Rob Bamberger dropped a very broad hint during his radio program that the Tiger Rag runoff groove was included in Mr. Benson's restoration. Will we hear "It SOUNDS better!" with unmistakable clarity after he's wrought his magic?

And if we do, will Mr. Sager address a few questions that have occurred (at least to me) about this recording, including: a) Sounds better than what? b) Who's Bix talking to, anyway? and c) Why did the Gennett engineer keep recording after the band finished playing?

Of course I have my own little theories, but I'll wait to see what the experts have to say. Given the superb work this team has done on previous projects, I'm quite sure all the tracks will sound better than they ever have before, for which I'm most grateful.
We started discussing this subject in 1999!!!! See Brad's posting in

http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/93873

Throughout the intervening years, the identification of the words was discussed regularly.

Finally, Nick posted an enhanced version of the utterance and David was the first to provide what is to me the correct identification.

From http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/me ... 305375632/

"The first person to provide a new identification (previous identifications were It sounds better and Use that take) of the words in Nick's RESTORED wave file of the Tiger Rag grooves was David Logue. Nick's restored file was posted on Feb 6, 2009 at 2:28 pm. David wrote on Feb 7, 2009 at 3:36 pm with the title "Wow,"  That is a lot clearer. But now that I can hear it better it sounds to me like he's saying "You dropped this" or "you dropped it".


Albert

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Barb Wascher
Barb Wascher

April 13th, 2012, 5:05 pm #5

Sorry Barb -- I did not refer to the the "ghost voice" at the end of "Tiger Rag." There is always so much to say, and so little room.
Perfectly understandable, David. I'm still looking forward to listening and reading.
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Brad Kay
Brad Kay

April 13th, 2012, 8:59 pm #6

We started discussing this subject in 1999!!!! See Brad's posting in

http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/93873

Throughout the intervening years, the identification of the words was discussed regularly.

Finally, Nick posted an enhanced version of the utterance and David was the first to provide what is to me the correct identification.

From http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/me ... 305375632/

"The first person to provide a new identification (previous identifications were It sounds better and Use that take) of the words in Nick's RESTORED wave file of the Tiger Rag grooves was David Logue. Nick's restored file was posted on Feb 6, 2009 at 2:28 pm. David wrote on Feb 7, 2009 at 3:36 pm with the title "Wow,"  That is a lot clearer. But now that I can hear it better it sounds to me like he's saying "You dropped this" or "you dropped it".


Albert
Albert, I must be getting old, because that link to my 1999 post about "It Sounds Better" has expired!

Let me assert once again that "It SOUNDS better" (emphasis included) is what the man said. In 1995, for just long enough to do a quality transfer, I held in my mitts a master pressing of "Tiger Rag," Gennett mx. 11932, made in the late '40s on VERY smooth material. Not vinyl, exactly, but something close, and far less noisy than the shellac Gennett used in the '20s. (I have several other such tests, including one with both takes of "Susie" and another of "Washboard Blues" by Hitch's Happy Harmonists. They're wonderful to hear.) This was the clearest, highest-fi version of "Tiger" I'd ever heard, and all of a sudden, very faintly, in the long run-out groove, several seconds after the performance ends, was this voice.

(N.B., Barb W., Gennett used a very long, close-pitched run-out groove in 1924, which took upwards of ten seconds to reach the end. Plenty of time for incidental "noises off" to get recorded.)

So I made a loop of the voice, and repeated it over and over. By such repetition, the sound "accumulates" in your mind, becoming more distinct as it goes. If you can just let that happen without jumping to conclusions, the meaning will sort itself out. I got the "OW" syllable first, then the rest of the phrase, "It SOUNDS better!" I've used this method many times to decipher indistinct music and words from records, especially beat-up Country Blues Paramounts.

Then I DID jump to a conclusion: This is Bix, giving his opinion of that performance: "It SOUNDS better!" After all - he was the de facto music director, and the person most likely to offer a spot judgement about the sound. Maybe it "sounded better" to him than the run-through before the record was cut.

I got the new Wolverines CD (Thanks, Dave!! - detailed comments forthcoming), and while Doug Benson's transfers are nice and clear, the voice at the end of "Tiger" is garbled by digital artifacting. It's just too delicate a sound - too faint to be extricated from the matrix of noise surrounding it by any means but the human ear, which is the best tool after all.

-Brad K
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April 13th, 2012, 9:06 pm #7


I made a mistake, I gave the incorrect URL. Here is the correct one.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/938737457

Albert

 
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April 14th, 2012, 11:59 am #8

<div>I have taken the opportunity that this latest string of posts affords and revisited the restoration of the voice at the end of the Wolverines' <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible">Tiger Rag</span>.  I have been able to improve upon the results I presented in 2009.</div><div> </div><div>Firstly, here is the voice enhanced using audio forensic tools. I have reduced the pitch whilst maintaining the duration, thus allowing greater perception of the words uttered:-</div><div> </div><div><div>bixbeiderbecke.com/TigerRagVoice3.wav</div><div> </div></div><div>Secondly, in the following sound file I have placed each individual word separately, with a gap of silence between them:-</div><div> </div><div><div>bixbeiderbecke.com/TigerRagVoice4.wav</div><div> </div></div><div> </div><div>There is no doubt in my mind that the words uttered are "You Dropped It", as pointed out by David Logue back in 2009.</div><div> </div>
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Doug Benson
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April 14th, 2012, 1:55 pm #9

We started discussing this subject in 1999!!!! See Brad's posting in

http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/93873

Throughout the intervening years, the identification of the words was discussed regularly.

Finally, Nick posted an enhanced version of the utterance and David was the first to provide what is to me the correct identification.

From http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/me ... 305375632/

"The first person to provide a new identification (previous identifications were It sounds better and Use that take) of the words in Nick's RESTORED wave file of the Tiger Rag grooves was David Logue. Nick's restored file was posted on Feb 6, 2009 at 2:28 pm. David wrote on Feb 7, 2009 at 3:36 pm with the title "Wow,"  That is a lot clearer. But now that I can hear it better it sounds to me like he's saying "You dropped this" or "you dropped it".


Albert
This is kind of a funny thread; "Tiger Rag" is such a great record, but there's more apparent interest in a stray sound in the run-off area than in the music itself. Nevertheless, I guess I'll just post one query: why does there seem be an assumption that the voice heard belongs to Bix? Though we'd all love for that to be true, we simply don't know. It could be anybody.

But for all you audio sleuths out there, here's another lesser-known moment: the run-in area of "Santa Claus Blues" by the Clarence Williams Trio (Okeh mx. 73721-A) where we can hear a faint countdown ("one - two - three...") before Louis' solo pickup. It sounds like someone whispering.
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April 14th, 2012, 2:19 pm #10

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