Thanks to Chris Barry, Joan Fabrizio and Alice Clare Weiss, we have a definitive ....

Thanks to Chris Barry, Joan Fabrizio and Alice Clare Weiss, we have a definitive ....

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February 12th, 2012, 7:07 pm #1

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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">....  identification of Alice O'Connell.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">On June 16, 1931, Bix wrote a letter to his parents. This is part of what Bix wrote.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">"About my future wife. Born in N. Y. red-headed, blue eyes, mothers name was Weiss, dads name O'Connell German-Irish, not bad huh?. Shes a staunch catholic <span> </span>She has 2 brothers and 3 sisters. I played golf with one of her brothers Her mother and father died when she was quite young Alice is 20 years old... I'm sending a picture of her."
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><em></em> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This is a scan of the picture Bix sent to his parents (from Evans and Evans)
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/Alice.jpg">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">In spite of considerable efforts by several Bixophiles, the identity of "Alice O'Connell" has remained a mystery. In addition, there was also an account by Hoagy Carmichael of a woman named "Helen Weiss" who accompanied Bix in a visit to Hoagy in the summer of 1931.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">There was a breakthrough about two years ago (April 17, 2009) when Chris sent in a posting to the Bix forum.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1240023543
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Chris suggested that Alices father's and mother's names had been reversed. He provided strong evidence for his suggestion. Chris discovered that <span>Alice Weiss, daughter of Theodore Weiss and Nellie O'Connell, was born about 1908 in NY. Theodore was born 1869 in Germany. Nellie was born 1876 in Ireland. Nellie's father Phillip O'Connell lived in the household in 1900. Theodore and Nellie had a large family: seven children were listed in the 1910 US Census under Theodore Weiss as head of the household.</span>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><span></span> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This past Tuesday, Chris wrote to me with conclusive evidence that the Alice O'Connell mentioned by Bix was really Alice Weiss. On Monday, Feb 6, Chris had a telephone conversation with Joan Fabrizio, nee Weiss, daughter of Phillip and Jeanette Weiss, niece of Alice Weiss. Phillip was one of Alice's brother, about two years older. Chris had sent a copy of Alice O'Connells photograph that Bix had sent to his parents to Joan. Joan identified definitely the young woman in the photo as her aunt Alice.
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There is more. When Chris wrote to me on Tuesday, he gave the url of his original posting of April 17, 2009. I went to the Bixography forum and opened the posting. Imagine my surprise when I saw under his posting a posting that had been submitted but I had not seen (it was waiting to be approved). It was dated Jul 14, 2011, titled "I am Alice Weiss's Niece." and authored by Alice Clare Weiss. I approved the posting. It can be read in

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1310695721
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Alice Clare is the daughter of Fredrick Weiss, the youngest of Theodore and Nellie Weiss's boys [Vera was the youngest child]. Fortunately, Alice Clare had given her email address in her posting and I got in touch with her. In her response, she stated that Most of my genealogy involvement has been through Ancestry.com, although I stumbled onto the Bix forum at the time I wrote that post you discovered. BTW, the photo of Alice Weiss that was posted in '09 is the same as one I got from my Dad (Fred Weiss b.1908). Mine is addressed "To My Brother Freddie, Your Loving sister Alice". Yesterday I had a phone conversation with Alice Clare and asked her if she could scan the photo and send it to me. She kindly did and here is the photo.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/AliceFinished.jpg">
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 <p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Here is the dedication of Alice to her brother Freddie, enhanced for better legibility.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/AliceToFreddie.jpg">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Thanks to Chris's formidable genealogical and research skills, the kindness and generosity of Joan Fabrizio and Alice Clare Weiss, we now have a definitive identification of the young lady in the photo that Bix had sent to his parents in the summer of 1931 and that he had named "Alice O'Connell.". There are still several unresolved issues. Chris and I are working on a comprehensive article on this subject and doing some more research. We will be posting more information and additional documentation in the next several weeks.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Albert
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February 12th, 2012, 9:58 pm #2


Rich wrote in <em>Bix: The Davenport Album:</em>

<em>"Researchers have hunted in vain for this mystery woman  from Bix's final days." </em>

<em>"Given the doggedness of Bix Beiderbecke researchers, it is quite a feat for anyone associated with Bix to have carried her secret to the grave."</em>

The definitive identification of "Alice O'Connell" as Alice Weiss, daughter of Theodore Weiss and Nellie O'Connell, is a tribute to Chris's persistence and his research abilities, to the generosity and kindness of Alice's nieces, Joan and Alice Clare, and to the existence of the Bixography Website/Forum as the clearinghouse for all things Bix.

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Gerri Bowers
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February 12th, 2012, 10:09 pm #3

Thank You this would make Rich so happy. It makes me very happy
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February 13th, 2012, 1:01 am #4

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">....  identification of Alice O'Connell.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">On June 16, 1931, Bix wrote a letter to his parents. This is part of what Bix wrote.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">"About my future wife. Born in N. Y. red-headed, blue eyes, mothers name was Weiss, dads name O'Connell German-Irish, not bad huh?. Shes a staunch catholic <span> </span>She has 2 brothers and 3 sisters. I played golf with one of her brothers Her mother and father died when she was quite young Alice is 20 years old... I'm sending a picture of her."
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><em></em> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This is a scan of the picture Bix sent to his parents (from Evans and Evans)
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/Alice.jpg">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">In spite of considerable efforts by several Bixophiles, the identity of "Alice O'Connell" has remained a mystery. In addition, there was also an account by Hoagy Carmichael of a woman named "Helen Weiss" who accompanied Bix in a visit to Hoagy in the summer of 1931.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">There was a breakthrough about two years ago (April 17, 2009) when Chris sent in a posting to the Bix forum.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1240023543
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Chris suggested that Alices father's and mother's names had been reversed. He provided strong evidence for his suggestion. Chris discovered that <span>Alice Weiss, daughter of Theodore Weiss and Nellie O'Connell, was born about 1908 in NY. Theodore was born 1869 in Germany. Nellie was born 1876 in Ireland. Nellie's father Phillip O'Connell lived in the household in 1900. Theodore and Nellie had a large family: seven children were listed in the 1910 US Census under Theodore Weiss as head of the household.</span>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><span></span> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This past Tuesday, Chris wrote to me with conclusive evidence that the Alice O'Connell mentioned by Bix was really Alice Weiss. On Monday, Feb 6, Chris had a telephone conversation with Joan Fabrizio, nee Weiss, daughter of Phillip and Jeanette Weiss, niece of Alice Weiss. Phillip was one of Alice's brother, about two years older. Chris had sent a copy of Alice O'Connells photograph that Bix had sent to his parents to Joan. Joan identified definitely the young woman in the photo as her aunt Alice.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

There is more. When Chris wrote to me on Tuesday, he gave the url of his original posting of April 17, 2009. I went to the Bixography forum and opened the posting. Imagine my surprise when I saw under his posting a posting that had been submitted but I had not seen (it was waiting to be approved). It was dated Jul 14, 2011, titled "I am Alice Weiss's Niece." and authored by Alice Clare Weiss. I approved the posting. It can be read in

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1310695721
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Alice Clare is the daughter of Fredrick Weiss, the youngest of Theodore and Nellie Weiss's boys [Vera was the youngest child]. Fortunately, Alice Clare had given her email address in her posting and I got in touch with her. In her response, she stated that Most of my genealogy involvement has been through Ancestry.com, although I stumbled onto the Bix forum at the time I wrote that post you discovered. BTW, the photo of Alice Weiss that was posted in '09 is the same as one I got from my Dad (Fred Weiss b.1908). Mine is addressed "To My Brother Freddie, Your Loving sister Alice". Yesterday I had a phone conversation with Alice Clare and asked her if she could scan the photo and send it to me. She kindly did and here is the photo.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><i></i>

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/AliceFinished.jpg">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">


 <p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Here is the dedication of Alice to her brother Freddie, enhanced for better legibility.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/AliceToFreddie.jpg">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Thanks to Chris's formidable genealogical and research skills, the kindness and generosity of Joan Fabrizio and Alice Clare Weiss, we now have a definitive identification of the young lady in the photo that Bix had sent to his parents in the summer of 1931 and that he had named "Alice O'Connell.". There are still several unresolved issues. Chris and I are working on a comprehensive article on this subject and doing some more research. We will be posting more information and additional documentation in the next several weeks.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Albert
According to ancestry.com, a man named Rex Gavitte married a woman named Alice Weiss in Philadelphia PA in 1926.

So Alice, it would appear, had already been Rex's wife for a few years before Rex took Bix home to Long Island for some rest in mid-June of 1931.

Of course I'm sure you'll be in contact with the Weiss family and ask them about that.

As for Bix reversing the last names of Alice's parents and making monetary claims about his supposed intended no man working as a waiter and supporting a large family could possibly have come up with to leave behind to his daughter -- well, to me that's pure Bix. Not surprising at all. Looks like Hoagy may have played along, too, by referring to her as Helen (which doesn't surprise me, either). I've always wondered, though; how did "Helen" know to give Bix's mouthpiece to Hoagy?

This is all very interesting indeed. My congratulations to Chris on his detective work and thanks to the Weiss family for being so forthcoming. Well done you, too, Albert.
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February 13th, 2012, 3:07 am #5

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">....  identification of Alice O'Connell.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">On June 16, 1931, Bix wrote a letter to his parents. This is part of what Bix wrote.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">"About my future wife. Born in N. Y. red-headed, blue eyes, mothers name was Weiss, dads name O'Connell German-Irish, not bad huh?. Shes a staunch catholic <span> </span>She has 2 brothers and 3 sisters. I played golf with one of her brothers Her mother and father died when she was quite young Alice is 20 years old... I'm sending a picture of her."
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><em></em> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This is a scan of the picture Bix sent to his parents (from Evans and Evans)
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/Alice.jpg">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">In spite of considerable efforts by several Bixophiles, the identity of "Alice O'Connell" has remained a mystery. In addition, there was also an account by Hoagy Carmichael of a woman named "Helen Weiss" who accompanied Bix in a visit to Hoagy in the summer of 1931.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">There was a breakthrough about two years ago (April 17, 2009) when Chris sent in a posting to the Bix forum.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1240023543
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Chris suggested that Alices father's and mother's names had been reversed. He provided strong evidence for his suggestion. Chris discovered that <span>Alice Weiss, daughter of Theodore Weiss and Nellie O'Connell, was born about 1908 in NY. Theodore was born 1869 in Germany. Nellie was born 1876 in Ireland. Nellie's father Phillip O'Connell lived in the household in 1900. Theodore and Nellie had a large family: seven children were listed in the 1910 US Census under Theodore Weiss as head of the household.</span>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><span></span> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This past Tuesday, Chris wrote to me with conclusive evidence that the Alice O'Connell mentioned by Bix was really Alice Weiss. On Monday, Feb 6, Chris had a telephone conversation with Joan Fabrizio, nee Weiss, daughter of Phillip and Jeanette Weiss, niece of Alice Weiss. Phillip was one of Alice's brother, about two years older. Chris had sent a copy of Alice O'Connells photograph that Bix had sent to his parents to Joan. Joan identified definitely the young woman in the photo as her aunt Alice.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

There is more. When Chris wrote to me on Tuesday, he gave the url of his original posting of April 17, 2009. I went to the Bixography forum and opened the posting. Imagine my surprise when I saw under his posting a posting that had been submitted but I had not seen (it was waiting to be approved). It was dated Jul 14, 2011, titled "I am Alice Weiss's Niece." and authored by Alice Clare Weiss. I approved the posting. It can be read in

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1310695721
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Alice Clare is the daughter of Fredrick Weiss, the youngest of Theodore and Nellie Weiss's boys [Vera was the youngest child]. Fortunately, Alice Clare had given her email address in her posting and I got in touch with her. In her response, she stated that Most of my genealogy involvement has been through Ancestry.com, although I stumbled onto the Bix forum at the time I wrote that post you discovered. BTW, the photo of Alice Weiss that was posted in '09 is the same as one I got from my Dad (Fred Weiss b.1908). Mine is addressed "To My Brother Freddie, Your Loving sister Alice". Yesterday I had a phone conversation with Alice Clare and asked her if she could scan the photo and send it to me. She kindly did and here is the photo.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><i></i>

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/AliceFinished.jpg">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">


 <p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Here is the dedication of Alice to her brother Freddie, enhanced for better legibility.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/AliceToFreddie.jpg">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Thanks to Chris's formidable genealogical and research skills, the kindness and generosity of Joan Fabrizio and Alice Clare Weiss, we now have a definitive identification of the young lady in the photo that Bix had sent to his parents in the summer of 1931 and that he had named "Alice O'Connell.". There are still several unresolved issues. Chris and I are working on a comprehensive article on this subject and doing some more research. We will be posting more information and additional documentation in the next several weeks.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Albert
Well done, Albert. Of course you have to tell us what became of Alice and if she ever mentioned Bix to anyone who might have passed this information on.
Are any of her effects still in existence? I imagine that these are the questions you're in the process of answering. God luck in finding any answers.

Randy
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February 13th, 2012, 12:51 pm #6

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">....  identification of Alice O'Connell.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">On June 16, 1931, Bix wrote a letter to his parents. This is part of what Bix wrote.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">"About my future wife. Born in N. Y. red-headed, blue eyes, mothers name was Weiss, dads name O'Connell German-Irish, not bad huh?. Shes a staunch catholic <span> </span>She has 2 brothers and 3 sisters. I played golf with one of her brothers Her mother and father died when she was quite young Alice is 20 years old... I'm sending a picture of her."
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><em></em> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This is a scan of the picture Bix sent to his parents (from Evans and Evans)
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/Alice.jpg">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">In spite of considerable efforts by several Bixophiles, the identity of "Alice O'Connell" has remained a mystery. In addition, there was also an account by Hoagy Carmichael of a woman named "Helen Weiss" who accompanied Bix in a visit to Hoagy in the summer of 1931.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">There was a breakthrough about two years ago (April 17, 2009) when Chris sent in a posting to the Bix forum.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1240023543
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Chris suggested that Alices father's and mother's names had been reversed. He provided strong evidence for his suggestion. Chris discovered that <span>Alice Weiss, daughter of Theodore Weiss and Nellie O'Connell, was born about 1908 in NY. Theodore was born 1869 in Germany. Nellie was born 1876 in Ireland. Nellie's father Phillip O'Connell lived in the household in 1900. Theodore and Nellie had a large family: seven children were listed in the 1910 US Census under Theodore Weiss as head of the household.</span>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><span></span> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This past Tuesday, Chris wrote to me with conclusive evidence that the Alice O'Connell mentioned by Bix was really Alice Weiss. On Monday, Feb 6, Chris had a telephone conversation with Joan Fabrizio, nee Weiss, daughter of Phillip and Jeanette Weiss, niece of Alice Weiss. Phillip was one of Alice's brother, about two years older. Chris had sent a copy of Alice O'Connells photograph that Bix had sent to his parents to Joan. Joan identified definitely the young woman in the photo as her aunt Alice.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

There is more. When Chris wrote to me on Tuesday, he gave the url of his original posting of April 17, 2009. I went to the Bixography forum and opened the posting. Imagine my surprise when I saw under his posting a posting that had been submitted but I had not seen (it was waiting to be approved). It was dated Jul 14, 2011, titled "I am Alice Weiss's Niece." and authored by Alice Clare Weiss. I approved the posting. It can be read in

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1310695721
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Alice Clare is the daughter of Fredrick Weiss, the youngest of Theodore and Nellie Weiss's boys [Vera was the youngest child]. Fortunately, Alice Clare had given her email address in her posting and I got in touch with her. In her response, she stated that Most of my genealogy involvement has been through Ancestry.com, although I stumbled onto the Bix forum at the time I wrote that post you discovered. BTW, the photo of Alice Weiss that was posted in '09 is the same as one I got from my Dad (Fred Weiss b.1908). Mine is addressed "To My Brother Freddie, Your Loving sister Alice". Yesterday I had a phone conversation with Alice Clare and asked her if she could scan the photo and send it to me. She kindly did and here is the photo.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><i></i>

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/AliceFinished.jpg">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">


 <p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Here is the dedication of Alice to her brother Freddie, enhanced for better legibility.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/AliceToFreddie.jpg">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Thanks to Chris's formidable genealogical and research skills, the kindness and generosity of Joan Fabrizio and Alice Clare Weiss, we now have a definitive identification of the young lady in the photo that Bix had sent to his parents in the summer of 1931 and that he had named "Alice O'Connell.". There are still several unresolved issues. Chris and I are working on a comprehensive article on this subject and doing some more research. We will be posting more information and additional documentation in the next several weeks.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Albert
This is the kind of stuff I love to read about on the forum.

I can't wait to read the article, Albert!
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February 13th, 2012, 1:52 pm #7

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">....  identification of Alice O'Connell.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">On June 16, 1931, Bix wrote a letter to his parents. This is part of what Bix wrote.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">"About my future wife. Born in N. Y. red-headed, blue eyes, mothers name was Weiss, dads name O'Connell German-Irish, not bad huh?. Shes a staunch catholic <span> </span>She has 2 brothers and 3 sisters. I played golf with one of her brothers Her mother and father died when she was quite young Alice is 20 years old... I'm sending a picture of her."
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><em></em> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This is a scan of the picture Bix sent to his parents (from Evans and Evans)
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/Alice.jpg">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">In spite of considerable efforts by several Bixophiles, the identity of "Alice O'Connell" has remained a mystery. In addition, there was also an account by Hoagy Carmichael of a woman named "Helen Weiss" who accompanied Bix in a visit to Hoagy in the summer of 1931.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">There was a breakthrough about two years ago (April 17, 2009) when Chris sent in a posting to the Bix forum.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1240023543
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Chris suggested that Alices father's and mother's names had been reversed. He provided strong evidence for his suggestion. Chris discovered that <span>Alice Weiss, daughter of Theodore Weiss and Nellie O'Connell, was born about 1908 in NY. Theodore was born 1869 in Germany. Nellie was born 1876 in Ireland. Nellie's father Phillip O'Connell lived in the household in 1900. Theodore and Nellie had a large family: seven children were listed in the 1910 US Census under Theodore Weiss as head of the household.</span>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><span></span> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This past Tuesday, Chris wrote to me with conclusive evidence that the Alice O'Connell mentioned by Bix was really Alice Weiss. On Monday, Feb 6, Chris had a telephone conversation with Joan Fabrizio, nee Weiss, daughter of Phillip and Jeanette Weiss, niece of Alice Weiss. Phillip was one of Alice's brother, about two years older. Chris had sent a copy of Alice O'Connells photograph that Bix had sent to his parents to Joan. Joan identified definitely the young woman in the photo as her aunt Alice.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

There is more. When Chris wrote to me on Tuesday, he gave the url of his original posting of April 17, 2009. I went to the Bixography forum and opened the posting. Imagine my surprise when I saw under his posting a posting that had been submitted but I had not seen (it was waiting to be approved). It was dated Jul 14, 2011, titled "I am Alice Weiss's Niece." and authored by Alice Clare Weiss. I approved the posting. It can be read in

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1310695721
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Alice Clare is the daughter of Fredrick Weiss, the youngest of Theodore and Nellie Weiss's boys [Vera was the youngest child]. Fortunately, Alice Clare had given her email address in her posting and I got in touch with her. In her response, she stated that Most of my genealogy involvement has been through Ancestry.com, although I stumbled onto the Bix forum at the time I wrote that post you discovered. BTW, the photo of Alice Weiss that was posted in '09 is the same as one I got from my Dad (Fred Weiss b.1908). Mine is addressed "To My Brother Freddie, Your Loving sister Alice". Yesterday I had a phone conversation with Alice Clare and asked her if she could scan the photo and send it to me. She kindly did and here is the photo.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><i></i>

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/AliceFinished.jpg">
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 <p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Here is the dedication of Alice to her brother Freddie, enhanced for better legibility.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Thanks to Chris's formidable genealogical and research skills, the kindness and generosity of Joan Fabrizio and Alice Clare Weiss, we now have a definitive identification of the young lady in the photo that Bix had sent to his parents in the summer of 1931 and that he had named "Alice O'Connell.". There are still several unresolved issues. Chris and I are working on a comprehensive article on this subject and doing some more research. We will be posting more information and additional documentation in the next several weeks.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Albert
It's great to have definitive proof, and finally the pathetic story will be put to rest that Bix was just faking a picture to reassure his worried parents. That is a genuine photo of a very lovely woman, and (with regrets for poor Ruthie Schaffner, the "other girlfriend") Alice and Bix must have had plans. I never believed the "fake photo" story anyway, because in the back of all my old confessional magazines I collect from the 1920's and 30's, they all have that "photos enlarged for a dollar" advertisement -- actually, it was 98 cents -- and there were boots in cities, and certainly New York, where this could be done (just as handy as those fun little automatic photo booths in the dime stores).

Thanks for such dedicated research.


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February 13th, 2012, 1:57 pm #8

According to ancestry.com, a man named Rex Gavitte married a woman named Alice Weiss in Philadelphia PA in 1926.

So Alice, it would appear, had already been Rex's wife for a few years before Rex took Bix home to Long Island for some rest in mid-June of 1931.

Of course I'm sure you'll be in contact with the Weiss family and ask them about that.

As for Bix reversing the last names of Alice's parents and making monetary claims about his supposed intended no man working as a waiter and supporting a large family could possibly have come up with to leave behind to his daughter -- well, to me that's pure Bix. Not surprising at all. Looks like Hoagy may have played along, too, by referring to her as Helen (which doesn't surprise me, either). I've always wondered, though; how did "Helen" know to give Bix's mouthpiece to Hoagy?

This is all very interesting indeed. My congratulations to Chris on his detective work and thanks to the Weiss family for being so forthcoming. Well done you, too, Albert.
--and Alice as the wife of another man, just what were those plans? Bix making it all up? Alice perhaps leaving her husband for him? Bix hoping she'd leave her husband for him? They had a fling? Or just Bix's wishful thinking?

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February 13th, 2012, 2:35 pm #9

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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">On June 16, 1931, Bix wrote a letter to his parents. This is part of what Bix wrote.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">"About my future wife. Born in N. Y. red-headed, blue eyes, mothers name was Weiss, dads name O'Connell German-Irish, not bad huh?. Shes a staunch catholic <span> </span>She has 2 brothers and 3 sisters. I played golf with one of her brothers Her mother and father died when she was quite young Alice is 20 years old... I'm sending a picture of her."
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This is a scan of the picture Bix sent to his parents (from Evans and Evans)
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/Alice.jpg">
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">In spite of considerable efforts by several Bixophiles, the identity of "Alice O'Connell" has remained a mystery. In addition, there was also an account by Hoagy Carmichael of a woman named "Helen Weiss" who accompanied Bix in a visit to Hoagy in the summer of 1931.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">There was a breakthrough about two years ago (April 17, 2009) when Chris sent in a posting to the Bix forum.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1240023543
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Chris suggested that Alices father's and mother's names had been reversed. He provided strong evidence for his suggestion. Chris discovered that <span>Alice Weiss, daughter of Theodore Weiss and Nellie O'Connell, was born about 1908 in NY. Theodore was born 1869 in Germany. Nellie was born 1876 in Ireland. Nellie's father Phillip O'Connell lived in the household in 1900. Theodore and Nellie had a large family: seven children were listed in the 1910 US Census under Theodore Weiss as head of the household.</span>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This past Tuesday, Chris wrote to me with conclusive evidence that the Alice O'Connell mentioned by Bix was really Alice Weiss. On Monday, Feb 6, Chris had a telephone conversation with Joan Fabrizio, nee Weiss, daughter of Phillip and Jeanette Weiss, niece of Alice Weiss. Phillip was one of Alice's brother, about two years older. Chris had sent a copy of Alice O'Connells photograph that Bix had sent to his parents to Joan. Joan identified definitely the young woman in the photo as her aunt Alice.
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There is more. When Chris wrote to me on Tuesday, he gave the url of his original posting of April 17, 2009. I went to the Bixography forum and opened the posting. Imagine my surprise when I saw under his posting a posting that had been submitted but I had not seen (it was waiting to be approved). It was dated Jul 14, 2011, titled "I am Alice Weiss's Niece." and authored by Alice Clare Weiss. I approved the posting. It can be read in

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1310695721
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Alice Clare is the daughter of Fredrick Weiss, the youngest of Theodore and Nellie Weiss's boys [Vera was the youngest child]. Fortunately, Alice Clare had given her email address in her posting and I got in touch with her. In her response, she stated that Most of my genealogy involvement has been through Ancestry.com, although I stumbled onto the Bix forum at the time I wrote that post you discovered. BTW, the photo of Alice Weiss that was posted in '09 is the same as one I got from my Dad (Fred Weiss b.1908). Mine is addressed "To My Brother Freddie, Your Loving sister Alice". Yesterday I had a phone conversation with Alice Clare and asked her if she could scan the photo and send it to me. She kindly did and here is the photo.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/AliceFinished.jpg">
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 <p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Here is the dedication of Alice to her brother Freddie, enhanced for better legibility.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/AliceToFreddie.jpg">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Thanks to Chris's formidable genealogical and research skills, the kindness and generosity of Joan Fabrizio and Alice Clare Weiss, we now have a definitive identification of the young lady in the photo that Bix had sent to his parents in the summer of 1931 and that he had named "Alice O'Connell.". There are still several unresolved issues. Chris and I are working on a comprehensive article on this subject and doing some more research. We will be posting more information and additional documentation in the next several weeks.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Albert
.... of "Alice O'Connell" mentioned in the letters from Bix to his parents and in the Bix register for his funeral, and of course of the lovely young woman in the photo Bix sent to his parents.

Chris knew already of the connection of Alice to Rex Gavitte in his 2009 posting

http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1240023543

Chris wrote, <em>"By 1930 Alice Gavitte (yes), married, age 20 [sic], and her younger sister Vera Weiss, single, age 17, were living at 24-60 32nd St., Astoria, Queens. This was Rex Gavitte's home address."</em>

Chris has a copy of the Rex Gavitte-Alice Weiss marriage certificate and a lot more information about Alice after 1931. It will all be reported in due course in our full article.

The posting above must be viewed as a preliminary communication. We thought it was urgent to provide the photo of Alice with the dedication to his brother, the "smoking gun" so-to-speak, that demonstrated conclusively that the person we have known for more than a decade as "Alice O'Connell" was one and the same as Alice Weiss, born in New York City about 1908, daughter of Theodore Weiss ( born 1869 in Germany) and Nellie O'Connell (born 1876 in Ireland), wife of Rex Gavitte in 1930.

As I indicated in my previous posting, there are still several unresolved issues. I am helping Chris with some of these. Once we have a complete picture, we will report again.

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February 14th, 2012, 12:57 pm #10

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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">....  identification of Alice O'Connell.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">On June 16, 1931, Bix wrote a letter to his parents. This is part of what Bix wrote.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">"About my future wife. Born in N. Y. red-headed, blue eyes, mothers name was Weiss, dads name O'Connell German-Irish, not bad huh?. Shes a staunch catholic <span> </span>She has 2 brothers and 3 sisters. I played golf with one of her brothers Her mother and father died when she was quite young Alice is 20 years old... I'm sending a picture of her."
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><em></em> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This is a scan of the picture Bix sent to his parents (from Evans and Evans)
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/Alice.jpg">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">In spite of considerable efforts by several Bixophiles, the identity of "Alice O'Connell" has remained a mystery. In addition, there was also an account by Hoagy Carmichael of a woman named "Helen Weiss" who accompanied Bix in a visit to Hoagy in the summer of 1931.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">There was a breakthrough about two years ago (April 17, 2009) when Chris sent in a posting to the Bix forum.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1240023543
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Chris suggested that Alices father's and mother's names had been reversed. He provided strong evidence for his suggestion. Chris discovered that <span>Alice Weiss, daughter of Theodore Weiss and Nellie O'Connell, was born about 1908 in NY. Theodore was born 1869 in Germany. Nellie was born 1876 in Ireland. Nellie's father Phillip O'Connell lived in the household in 1900. Theodore and Nellie had a large family: seven children were listed in the 1910 US Census under Theodore Weiss as head of the household.</span>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><span></span> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This past Tuesday, Chris wrote to me with conclusive evidence that the Alice O'Connell mentioned by Bix was really Alice Weiss. On Monday, Feb 6, Chris had a telephone conversation with Joan Fabrizio, nee Weiss, daughter of Phillip and Jeanette Weiss, niece of Alice Weiss. Phillip was one of Alice's brother, about two years older. Chris had sent a copy of Alice O'Connells photograph that Bix had sent to his parents to Joan. Joan identified definitely the young woman in the photo as her aunt Alice.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

There is more. When Chris wrote to me on Tuesday, he gave the url of his original posting of April 17, 2009. I went to the Bixography forum and opened the posting. Imagine my surprise when I saw under his posting a posting that had been submitted but I had not seen (it was waiting to be approved). It was dated Jul 14, 2011, titled "I am Alice Weiss's Niece." and authored by Alice Clare Weiss. I approved the posting. It can be read in

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1310695721
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Alice Clare is the daughter of Fredrick Weiss, the youngest of Theodore and Nellie Weiss's boys [Vera was the youngest child]. Fortunately, Alice Clare had given her email address in her posting and I got in touch with her. In her response, she stated that Most of my genealogy involvement has been through Ancestry.com, although I stumbled onto the Bix forum at the time I wrote that post you discovered. BTW, the photo of Alice Weiss that was posted in '09 is the same as one I got from my Dad (Fred Weiss b.1908). Mine is addressed "To My Brother Freddie, Your Loving sister Alice". Yesterday I had a phone conversation with Alice Clare and asked her if she could scan the photo and send it to me. She kindly did and here is the photo.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><i></i>

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/AliceFinished.jpg">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">


 <p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Here is the dedication of Alice to her brother Freddie, enhanced for better legibility.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><img alt="[linked image]" src="http://bixography.com/AliceToFreddie.jpg">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Thanks to Chris's formidable genealogical and research skills, the kindness and generosity of Joan Fabrizio and Alice Clare Weiss, we now have a definitive identification of the young lady in the photo that Bix had sent to his parents in the summer of 1931 and that he had named "Alice O'Connell.". There are still several unresolved issues. Chris and I are working on a comprehensive article on this subject and doing some more research. We will be posting more information and additional documentation in the next several weeks.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Albert
Glad to hear Alice has been found. I can't wait for the article! I look forward to confirmation that Alice indeed was romantically involved with Bix, however, because the switching of names looks a bit fishy to me. I would think Bix would have been proud to show off Alice's true surname and German background if he had known it. And as for the story about Alice's bank account, it seems an odd thing to lie about to one's own family! Maybe her money came from an inheritance?? Has it been confirmed that the Alice O'Connell of Bix's letter and the Alice who was married to Rex Gavitte are the same Alice?

Anyway, thanks, Albert, and thanks to all who worked on this mystery!
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