Ross Gorman's "Idolizing."

Ross Gorman's "Idolizing."

Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

January 27th, 2018, 11:27 pm #1

Ross Gorman and his orchestra recorded "Idolizing" twice, both times in November 1926: once for Edison, the other time for Cameo. Here are the listings in Lord's dscography:
Ross Gorman And His Orchestra : Red Nichols, Harry Gluck (tp) Miff Mole (tb) or Mike Martini (tb) Harold Noble (cl,as,ts) Billy McGill (cl,ts) Bert Reynolds (sop,as) Ross Gorman (cl,b-cl,as,bar,hecklephone) Fred Leithner (p) Dick McDonough (bj) Eddie Lang (g) possibly Barney Aquilino (tu) David Grupp (d)
New York, November 3, 1926
11280-B Idolizing Ed 51876
Note: Personnel from "American Dance Bands on Record and Film" (Johnson/Shirley,2010).
Frog CD liner has incorrect recording date.
New York, November 1926
2193-C Idolizing Cam 1063s
Rust does not list names of musicians in these recordings and they are not listed in Eddie Lang's discography.
Interestingly, the Jan 8, 1926 issue of Variety informs readers that Red and Miff were leaving Gorman’s organization. See
http://ia800909.us.archive.org/BookRead ... 4&rotate=0
Listen to the Cameo recording. # 20 in
https://archive.org/details/RossGormanO ... lizing.m4a
My ears tell me that Eddie, Red and Miff are not present.
However, there is an interesting similarity between the guitar breaks in Gorman’s “Idolizing” at 1:28 and Goldkette’s “Sunday”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5PbTO3jyos
at 1:31, no?

Albert
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Malcolm Walton
Malcolm Walton

January 28th, 2018, 8:30 am #2

Albert, I had not heard this side before but as soon as the lengthy guitar solo got underway I had no doubt that I was listening to Eddie Lang. The solo is full of his trademark nuances, particularly the 'bent' notes. Also, as you say, he reprises a break used on Sunday.
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Nick Dellow
Nick Dellow

January 28th, 2018, 2:04 pm #3

Ross Gorman and his orchestra recorded "Idolizing" twice, both times in November 1926: once for Edison, the other time for Cameo. Here are the listings in Lord's dscography:
Ross Gorman And His Orchestra : Red Nichols, Harry Gluck (tp) Miff Mole (tb) or Mike Martini (tb) Harold Noble (cl,as,ts) Billy McGill (cl,ts) Bert Reynolds (sop,as) Ross Gorman (cl,b-cl,as,bar,hecklephone) Fred Leithner (p) Dick McDonough (bj) Eddie Lang (g) possibly Barney Aquilino (tu) David Grupp (d)
New York, November 3, 1926
11280-B Idolizing Ed 51876
Note: Personnel from "American Dance Bands on Record and Film" (Johnson/Shirley,2010).
Frog CD liner has incorrect recording date.
New York, November 1926
2193-C Idolizing Cam 1063s
Rust does not list names of musicians in these recordings and they are not listed in Eddie Lang's discography.
Interestingly, the Jan 8, 1926 issue of Variety informs readers that Red and Miff were leaving Gorman’s organization. See
http://ia800909.us.archive.org/BookRead ... 4&rotate=0
Listen to the Cameo recording. # 20 in
https://archive.org/details/RossGormanO ... lizing.m4a
My ears tell me that Eddie, Red and Miff are not present.
However, there is an interesting similarity between the guitar breaks in Gorman’s “Idolizing” at 1:28 and Goldkette’s “Sunday”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5PbTO3jyos
at 1:31, no?

Albert
The guitarist plays a similar break in Ross Gorman's Edison of "You're Burnin' Me Up, Turnin' Me Down" (at 2:59 in the first version and 3:03 in the second):-

https://archive.org/details/RossGormanO ... ion/21+You're+Burnin'+Me+Up%2C+Turnin'+Me+Down.m4a

https://archive.org/details/RossGormanO ... ion/22+You're+Burnin'+Me+Up%2C+Turnin'+Me+Down.m4a

He sounds even more Lang-like in Gorman's Edison of Idolizing (solo starts at 1:12):-

https://archive.org/details/RossGormanO ... lizing.m4a

Very Lang-like I would say! However, Rust lists Dick McDonough (or rather suggests him as a possible guitarist, along with Tony Colicchio), that's if I am reading Jazz Records correctly, taking the personnel from sessions higher up the page; if that's the case, then Rust also suggests McDonough or Colicchio for the Cameo of Idolizing too. Is Tony Colicchio none other than Tony Colucci?

And listen to this Gorman side for some more nice Lang-like guitar playing (two part solo starts at 1:10):-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHqN6SchsuM

That break at 2:18 is just pure Lang! But Rust lists Dick McDonough and a YouTube comment states "According to Richard Sudhalter, it's Dick McDonough, who was then playing in a style almost identical to Lang's." I will say that the solo guitar coda is very similar to the way that McDonough ends Don Voorhees' superb "Baby's Blue":-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GQZxfQByN8

(The photo in the video shows Lang, but it is McDonough, correctly listed in the description).

Here is another known Dick McDonough solo of the same period, while he was with Don Voorhees' band (solo at 1:45 and two breaks later on):-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUPRb5On7B4


I'd be very interested in hearing what others have to say about this.



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Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

January 28th, 2018, 5:36 pm #4

In addition to the examples Nick gave:

New Orleans Black Birds - Playing The Blues - 1928

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkx4qArRTBQ

Joe Venuti and his Blue Five - HIAWATHA'S LULLABY - 1933
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3poLriODslo

Joe Venuti & His Blue Six. Sweet Lorraine 1933
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umeFCt5ctkg

ROSS GORMAN'S ORCH. - I'D RATHER BE THE GIRL IN YOUR ARMS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk62QXhtO40


I still don’t think Eddie is in Idolizing or You're Burnin' Me Up.

Albert
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John Coffin
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January 28th, 2018, 10:56 pm #5

Ross Gorman and his orchestra recorded "Idolizing" twice, both times in November 1926: once for Edison, the other time for Cameo. Here are the listings in Lord's dscography:
Ross Gorman And His Orchestra : Red Nichols, Harry Gluck (tp) Miff Mole (tb) or Mike Martini (tb) Harold Noble (cl,as,ts) Billy McGill (cl,ts) Bert Reynolds (sop,as) Ross Gorman (cl,b-cl,as,bar,hecklephone) Fred Leithner (p) Dick McDonough (bj) Eddie Lang (g) possibly Barney Aquilino (tu) David Grupp (d)
New York, November 3, 1926
11280-B Idolizing Ed 51876
Note: Personnel from "American Dance Bands on Record and Film" (Johnson/Shirley,2010).
Frog CD liner has incorrect recording date.
New York, November 1926
2193-C Idolizing Cam 1063s
Rust does not list names of musicians in these recordings and they are not listed in Eddie Lang's discography.
Interestingly, the Jan 8, 1926 issue of Variety informs readers that Red and Miff were leaving Gorman’s organization. See
http://ia800909.us.archive.org/BookRead ... 4&rotate=0
Listen to the Cameo recording. # 20 in
https://archive.org/details/RossGormanO ... lizing.m4a
My ears tell me that Eddie, Red and Miff are not present.
However, there is an interesting similarity between the guitar breaks in Gorman’s “Idolizing” at 1:28 and Goldkette’s “Sunday”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5PbTO3jyos
at 1:31, no?

Albert
There's a 4:21 long version at number 19 on that archive page.
I take it that's the Edison?
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Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

January 29th, 2018, 4:04 am #6

that's the Edison.

Albert
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