question about Silvertone 2493-A

question about Silvertone 2493-A

Professor Hot Stuff
Professor Hot Stuff

January 25th, 2009, 2:08 am #1

Does anyone know who the trumpet soloist is on this Silvertone? I guess it's a Nathan Glantz band. www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU-t7BRJ0uI
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January 25th, 2009, 3:22 pm #2

According to Rust's Jazz Records, Silvertone 2493 is by the Texas Ten and was recorded on May 5, 1925. The Texas Ten was a Nathan Glantz band. Around this time, trumpet players who recorded with Glantz were Hymie Farberman, Earl Oliver and Phil Napoleon. I can'tell which.
The link you gave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU-t7BRJ0uI

shows the record label as by "Lanin's Roseland orchestra." According to Rust Jazz disco, Sam Lanin's name was also used as a pseudonym for a bunch of records by other groups including Silvertone 2493 Charleston (Texas Ten).

The online discography jumps from Silvertone 2481 to 2494. No 2493. I don't know what is on 2493-B.

Albert

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Veniero Molari
Veniero Molari

January 25th, 2009, 5:27 pm #3

Please note that Silvertone were recorded at 80rpm,hence the wrong rendition when played at 78 rpm..Veniero Molari
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January 25th, 2009, 5:29 pm #4

According to Rust's Jazz Records, Silvertone 2493 is by the Texas Ten and was recorded on May 5, 1925. The Texas Ten was a Nathan Glantz band. Around this time, trumpet players who recorded with Glantz were Hymie Farberman, Earl Oliver and Phil Napoleon. I can'tell which.
The link you gave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU-t7BRJ0uI

shows the record label as by "Lanin's Roseland orchestra." According to Rust Jazz disco, Sam Lanin's name was also used as a pseudonym for a bunch of records by other groups including Silvertone 2493 Charleston (Texas Ten).

The online discography jumps from Silvertone 2481 to 2494. No 2493. I don't know what is on 2493-B.

Albert
Rust (ADBD) lists for the Texas Ten

106008 Charleston PA 063251, Per 14432

6014-1 Charleston Ban 1540, Dom 3510, Or 413, Re 9835, Sil 2493 Apex 83555, St 10091, Imp 1477

Pathe Acuelles except 10901 as Westchester Biltmore Orchestra; Perfects as The Blue Chasers; Apex and Imperial as Six Black Diamonds

The online discography adds

Banner 1540, Six Black Diamonds (Texas Ten)
Dom 3510 Six Black Diamonds
Re 9835 Six Black Diamonds

Albert

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January 25th, 2009, 10:19 pm #5

Does anyone know who the trumpet soloist is on this Silvertone? I guess it's a Nathan Glantz band. www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU-t7BRJ0uI
.... that "According to our files, that is listed as Earl Oliver. When I locate the record I'll replay it and re-evaluate it."

The name of Oliver is consistent with the roster of musicians in Nathan Glantz's recordings of the same period.

Albert
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January 26th, 2009, 5:43 pm #6

Does anyone know who the trumpet soloist is on this Silvertone? I guess it's a Nathan Glantz band. www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU-t7BRJ0uI
On May 5, 1925 the Texas Ten waxed three sides, "Charleston" discussed in this thread and two more, "What A Smile Can Do" amd "Sweet Georgia Brown."

Professor Hot Stuff sends an mp3 of "Sweet Gerogia Brown" and asks if the trumpet soloist is Earl Oliver. To listen, copy and paste

bixography.com/SweetGeorgiaBrown-TexasTen-NathanGlantz-ldr(5May1925).mp3

I think it is Earl Oliver. Here are some sides that feature solos by Earl Oliver. Listen and compare.

Baby Face Ben Selvin Jul 9, 1926 http://www.jazz-on-line.com/a/ramb/BRU19712.ram

Jig Walk Earl Oliver and His Orch Mar 24, 1926 http://www.archive.org/details/EarlOliv ... dison78rpm

Albert

Practically no biographical information about Earl Oliver that I could find. Lots of recordings beginning in the late nineteenteens and throughout the 1920s.
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Warren Kilbourne
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January 27th, 2009, 12:24 am #7

I know about Nathan Glantz' being involved with the 6 Black Diamonds, but to my ears the Banner coupling sounds exactly like the Jim-Dandies (on Ha 55-H), which suggests the Banner is actually by a black group; maybe Glantz sat in on sax. The trumpet on the Jim Dandies was Seymour Irick, per Rust.
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Professor Hot Stuff
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January 27th, 2009, 2:10 pm #8

On May 5, 1925 the Texas Ten waxed three sides, "Charleston" discussed in this thread and two more, "What A Smile Can Do" amd "Sweet Georgia Brown."

Professor Hot Stuff sends an mp3 of "Sweet Gerogia Brown" and asks if the trumpet soloist is Earl Oliver. To listen, copy and paste

bixography.com/SweetGeorgiaBrown-TexasTen-NathanGlantz-ldr(5May1925).mp3

I think it is Earl Oliver. Here are some sides that feature solos by Earl Oliver. Listen and compare.

Baby Face Ben Selvin Jul 9, 1926 http://www.jazz-on-line.com/a/ramb/BRU19712.ram

Jig Walk Earl Oliver and His Orch Mar 24, 1926 http://www.archive.org/details/EarlOliv ... dison78rpm

Albert

Practically no biographical information about Earl Oliver that I could find. Lots of recordings beginning in the late nineteenteens and throughout the 1920s.
Thanks for the information. I think there's a link to that third tune recorded at that session here: www.dismuke.org/how/prev12-03.html
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January 27th, 2009, 5:01 pm #9

Indeed, "What A Smile Can Do" by the Blues Chasers is the third recording waxed during the May 5, 1925 session. Dismuke gives the year as 1924 (it is 1925) and the the number of the Perfect record as 1433-B (it is 14432-B). Rust also tells us that the Blues Chasers was a pseudonym for Nathan Glantz's Texas Ten.

Albert

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Professor Hot Stuff
Professor Hot Stuff

January 27th, 2009, 6:40 pm #10

That could be but settlet.fateback.com/PE14000.htm says that third tune was made on a different day and to me the band sounds different.
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