Question about a Lou Gold Record

Question about a Lou Gold Record

Laura Demilio
Laura Demilio

June 7th, 2010, 12:28 am #1

Can anyone tell me the date, or at least the year, of this Lou Gold and His Orchestra recording? It's "I'm so Afraid of You", vocals by Lou Abelardo, on I think a pretty obscure (at least to me) label: Crown. I'm guessing very early 1930's. Picked it up at the used record store this weekend. I'd appreciate your knowledge and info, gang.

Thanks, from Laura
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June 7th, 2010, 2:38 am #2


Rust lists "I'm So Afraid of You," Crown 3063, Imp 2460 recorded by Lou Gold c.late Jan 1931.

Albert
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Laura Demilio
Laura Demilio

June 7th, 2010, 1:36 pm #3

I guess the era correctly!

I don't know much about the Crown record label; any background on it?

Laura
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June 7th, 2010, 3:17 pm #4


From http://www.mainspringpress.com/murray-crown.html
<p align="left"><em>The Crown Record Company was founded in 1930 as a </em><em>Plaza Music Company</em><em> subidiary, after that company was left out of the merger that resulted in formation of the </em><em>American Record Corporation</em><em>. Several Plaza officials who had been involved in the production of the RegalBanner group of labels headed the new Crown venture. The records initially were pressed by an independent plant, but pressing was soon contracted to the RCA plant in Camden, NJ. </em><em>Victor</em><em>, however, did not record any of Crown's masters, nor was there ever any trading of masters between these two unrelated companies.</em>
<p align="left"><em>Many Crown matrices were also pressed under client labels, including Homestead and Gem, and were even reissued in the late 1930s on Montgomery Ward, Varsity, and other low-priced brands.</em>
<p align="left">Crown Records were sold by the defunct dime store Woolworth for 25 cents. The company went belly up in 1933, the Depression did it in.
<p align="left">Albert
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Laura Demilio
Laura Demilio

June 7th, 2010, 6:39 pm #5

Well, just about as I surmised -- it had rather that "cheap discount record" look -- and SOUND -- to it, unless someone who loved this song almost 80 years ago just played it to death on a bad needle, because that record is crackly and worn. I don't doubt the quality of the shellac isn't exactly up to standard, though. But I can just piture Crown 78's and such rick-rack. . .. not exactly jumbled, but haphazardly stacked in some 1930's Woolworth's bin for the young set (probably with not a lot of coins in their pockets) to sift through. . . .

Oh, I enjoy stuff like this. Thanks again, Albert!

Laura
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June 7th, 2010, 7:28 pm #6

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">In Jan 1931, Jack Teagarden and His Orchestra (Charlie Spivak, Sterling Bose, Gil Rodin, Benny Goodman, Eddie Miller, Gil Bowers, Nappy Lamare, Harry Goodman and Ray Bauduc recorded two classics - Carmichaels Rockin Chair and Handys Loveless Love. The two numbers were issued as Crown 3051.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">The above roster of musicians is given by Rust. Robert Stockdale writes, Jimmy, not Benny Goodman, as long claimed by some, is on the next session. [The session mentioned above.]
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Listen
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Rockin Chair http://www.jazz-on-line.com/a/ramb/CROC1119-1.ram (Do you think that the arrangement was inspired by that used by Hoagy with Bix in their 1930 recording?)
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Loveless Love<span>  </span>http://www.jazz-on-line.com/a/ramb/CROC1120-2.ram
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Jimmy or Benny?
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Albert
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Emrah Erken
Emrah Erken

June 7th, 2010, 9:53 pm #7

I guess the era correctly!

I don't know much about the Crown record label; any background on it?

Laura
Crown is a typical Great Depression label. I used to have some Joel Shaw (Gene Cardos) records on Crown. In my opinion, they don't sound that bad.

Gene Cardos, who had a contract with Victor, recorded on Crown under the name of the practically unknown Joel Shaw. Very nice stuff! I have kept only an unissued test of "Call Of The Freaks":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l--LcrSLa28

The same orchestra recorded under the name "The Harlem Wildcats" on Varsity.

One notable artist on Crown is Charley Palloy, which is not his real name. Here is "Brother, Can You Spare A Dime", a version I prefer even to the one by Bing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsJGagKWrds

Both, Charley Palloy and Joel Shaw were issued on CD:

http://www.amazon.com/Vocals-Guitar-Cha ... =8-1-spell

http://www.amazon.com/New-York-Jazz-Ear ... 392&sr=1-2

http://www.amazon.com/Gene-Kardos-Joel- ... 392&sr=1-1



Emrah


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June 8th, 2010, 12:50 pm #8

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">In Jan 1931, Jack Teagarden and His Orchestra (Charlie Spivak, Sterling Bose, Gil Rodin, Benny Goodman, Eddie Miller, Gil Bowers, Nappy Lamare, Harry Goodman and Ray Bauduc recorded two classics - Carmichaels Rockin Chair and Handys Loveless Love. The two numbers were issued as Crown 3051.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">The above roster of musicians is given by Rust. Robert Stockdale writes, Jimmy, not Benny Goodman, as long claimed by some, is on the next session. [The session mentioned above.]
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Listen
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Rockin Chair http://www.jazz-on-line.com/a/ramb/CROC1119-1.ram (Do you think that the arrangement was inspired by that used by Hoagy with Bix in their 1930 recording?)
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Loveless Love<span>  </span>http://www.jazz-on-line.com/a/ramb/CROC1120-2.ram
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Jimmy or Benny?
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Albert
.... Steve H.

At the recording session for Crown of Jan 1931, the musicans waxed four sides. The first two, "Ninety Nine Out Of A Hundred Wanna Be Loved" and "Hello Beautiful," were released as by Gil Rodin and His Orchestra. The next two, "Rockin' Chair" and "Loveless Love" ( also known as "Careless Love") were released as by Jack Teagarden and His Orchestra. In the previous recording session, Sep 1930, by the same group of musicians, except with Tommy Thunen instead of Sterling Bose and Matty Matclock instead of Dorsey or Goodman, recorded "If I Could Be With You One Hour Tonight."Here are the scans of the labels for the fivesides. Thanks Steve.



RodinCrownHelloBeautiful.jpg







Note that the titles of the tunes were translated (poorly) into Spanish, an indication that these rather inexpensive records were marketed in Latin America (I don't think Spain; my guess is that the two biggest markets were Mexico and Argentina.)

I can't resist giving a link to the (dear to me) version of "Hello Beautiful" by the great Maurice Chevalier. Recorded on Feb 22, 1931 in New York with the accompaniment of an orchestra under the direction of Leonard Joy.

<embed src="http://www.archive.org/download/Maurice ... l_64kb.mp3" autostart="true" width="144" height="72" style="background-color:inherit">

Albert
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Glenda Childress
Glenda Childress

June 8th, 2010, 1:09 pm #9

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">In Jan 1931, Jack Teagarden and His Orchestra (Charlie Spivak, Sterling Bose, Gil Rodin, Benny Goodman, Eddie Miller, Gil Bowers, Nappy Lamare, Harry Goodman and Ray Bauduc recorded two classics - Carmichaels Rockin Chair and Handys Loveless Love. The two numbers were issued as Crown 3051.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">The above roster of musicians is given by Rust. Robert Stockdale writes, Jimmy, not Benny Goodman, as long claimed by some, is on the next session. [The session mentioned above.]
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Listen
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Rockin Chair http://www.jazz-on-line.com/a/ramb/CROC1119-1.ram (Do you think that the arrangement was inspired by that used by Hoagy with Bix in their 1930 recording?)
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Loveless Love<span>  </span>http://www.jazz-on-line.com/a/ramb/CROC1120-2.ram
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Jimmy or Benny?
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Albert
I agree with you. The arrangement seems to be pretty much lifted from the Hoagy/Bix recording.

The section work is too much the same for the similarity to be accidental, but not as crisp, lacking the punchy attack of the Carmichael session. Teagarden's short solo is tasty, though, and Spivak and/or Bose are quite good, if not inspired, but certainly don't have the textural contrast of the Bubber and Bix pairing.

Who does the vocals? The first voice sounds somewhat like a hurried Teagarden, reminiscent of his later duets with Armstrong on this song, but who is the second? Nappy Lamare?
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June 8th, 2010, 9:10 pm #10


.... Eddie Miller and Nappy Lamare.

Albert
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