Fred Rich's Rollickers.

Fred Rich's Rollickers.

Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

June 28th, 2017, 5:28 pm #1

According to Don Rayno, the Rollickers Quartet consisted of Victor Hall, Foster House, Norman LeMoyne and A. R. McAdams. In their 1927 Vitaphone shorts, Ray Brown was pianist director.
I am interested in the Rollickers who sang in some Fred Rich's recordings of 1929, in particular "Nobody But You," May 10, 1929, Col 1838-D. I like this recording a lot; it includes several of Bix's fellow musicians/friends: the Dorsey's, Leo McConville, Joe Tarto, etc. According to Rust (Jazz Discography) the vocal is by the Rollickers, Irving Kaufman, Smith Ballew. According to Robert Stockdale (That's It, Dorsey's discography), the Rollickers consist of Bert Dixon, Arthur Fields and Jack Kaufman. A nice Bixian solo.
What's the story?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn8-BnqPG-U

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James E. Parten
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June 29th, 2017, 4:11 pm #2

My understanding--gleaned from reading Jim Walsh's column 'Favorite Pioneer Recording Artists" which appeared for more than thirty years in "Hobbies" magazine--was that the Rollickers consisted of Foster house (first tenor), Victor Hall (second or lead tenor), Kenneth Christie (baritone) and Lonnie McAdams (bass), with a fifth member that Walsh could not identify.

The Rollickers seem to have first appeared on record around the middle of 1927. They became Edison artists, but also appeared on other labels, primarily to sing vocal refrains

I believe that this is the same group that appeared on many sessions for Perfect and Pathe' records as the "Deep River Quintette". From the standpoint of this column, the most notable session on which they appeared is the Chicago Loopers sides, where the DRQ sings refrains on "Clorinda" and "I'm More Than Satisfied".

An interesting note is that the Rollickers recorded "Clorinda" as a vocal record (with piano accompaniment) for Edison.. One of our friends has the record in his collection.

Another desirable record by the Rollickers is "Lonely Little Cinderella", an otherwise-ordinary ballad, on which the group is backed by a group of trumpet, tenor sax, violin, piano and vibraphone. This record was issued as both a Diamond Disc and as a needle-cut record--and is highly desirable either way, especially as there is an eight-bar hot trumpet solo leading into the final chorus. Some folks, years and years ago, speculate that it was Bix. (Not blooming likely!)

It is possible, therefore, that Norman LeMoyne is the unknown fifth member of the group.

Subdivisions of the Rollickers occasionally appeared on Edison, usually to do vocal refrains. Victor Hall had at least one solo record for Edison. And "The Songsters--Ken and Vic" appeared on at least one vocal refrain for the same label.

In later years, a "Ken Christie" would be involved in radio, mostly working "behind the glass". Same guy?

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June 30th, 2017, 12:43 pm #3

Compare.

The Rollickers recordings
Ready for the River https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkozhzndnXM
Crazy Rhythm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu4ZAD4QZ98
I Scream, You Scream, We All Scream For Ice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFPPomiw1ns
Lonely Little Cinderella https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xu27_nXwws
I discussed the latter inhttp://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1177856754 My suggestion was the trumpeter is Irving Peskin.

Deep River Quintet
I'm More Than Satisfied https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPGngmcOtdY
Clorinda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNwBrEKaGnw
My Blue Heaven https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx5nPDd5b8M

Do the Rollickers and the Deep River Quintet sound the same to you guys? The Fred Rich Rollickers are, in my opinion, an entirely different group, a trio.

I'll try to do a bit of additional digging.

Albert

PS The names you give are similar as those given by Rayno and this reference:https://books.google.com/books?id=REaeC ... rs&f=false
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June 30th, 2017, 2:33 pm #4

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June 30th, 2017, 3:31 pm #5

My understanding--gleaned from reading Jim Walsh's column 'Favorite Pioneer Recording Artists" which appeared for more than thirty years in "Hobbies" magazine--was that the Rollickers consisted of Foster house (first tenor), Victor Hall (second or lead tenor), Kenneth Christie (baritone) and Lonnie McAdams (bass), with a fifth member that Walsh could not identify.

The Rollickers seem to have first appeared on record around the middle of 1927. They became Edison artists, but also appeared on other labels, primarily to sing vocal refrains

I believe that this is the same group that appeared on many sessions for Perfect and Pathe' records as the "Deep River Quintette". From the standpoint of this column, the most notable session on which they appeared is the Chicago Loopers sides, where the DRQ sings refrains on "Clorinda" and "I'm More Than Satisfied".

An interesting note is that the Rollickers recorded "Clorinda" as a vocal record (with piano accompaniment) for Edison.. One of our friends has the record in his collection.

Another desirable record by the Rollickers is "Lonely Little Cinderella", an otherwise-ordinary ballad, on which the group is backed by a group of trumpet, tenor sax, violin, piano and vibraphone. This record was issued as both a Diamond Disc and as a needle-cut record--and is highly desirable either way, especially as there is an eight-bar hot trumpet solo leading into the final chorus. Some folks, years and years ago, speculate that it was Bix. (Not blooming likely!)

It is possible, therefore, that Norman LeMoyne is the unknown fifth member of the group.

Subdivisions of the Rollickers occasionally appeared on Edison, usually to do vocal refrains. Victor Hall had at least one solo record for Edison. And "The Songsters--Ken and Vic" appeared on at least one vocal refrain for the same label.

In later years, a "Ken Christie" would be involved in radio, mostly working "behind the glass". Same guy?
Here is one of the Edison Records:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkozhzndnXM Victor Hall, Randolph Weynant, Norman LeMoyne, A.R. McAdams are listed as the singers and note the comment from Peter Munks that his father sang baritone with them.
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Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

June 30th, 2017, 6:25 pm #6

Articles from newspapers with names of singers. Thanks, Vince!









Albert

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June 30th, 2017, 8:00 pm #7

My understanding--gleaned from reading Jim Walsh's column 'Favorite Pioneer Recording Artists" which appeared for more than thirty years in "Hobbies" magazine--was that the Rollickers consisted of Foster house (first tenor), Victor Hall (second or lead tenor), Kenneth Christie (baritone) and Lonnie McAdams (bass), with a fifth member that Walsh could not identify.

The Rollickers seem to have first appeared on record around the middle of 1927. They became Edison artists, but also appeared on other labels, primarily to sing vocal refrains

I believe that this is the same group that appeared on many sessions for Perfect and Pathe' records as the "Deep River Quintette". From the standpoint of this column, the most notable session on which they appeared is the Chicago Loopers sides, where the DRQ sings refrains on "Clorinda" and "I'm More Than Satisfied".

An interesting note is that the Rollickers recorded "Clorinda" as a vocal record (with piano accompaniment) for Edison.. One of our friends has the record in his collection.

Another desirable record by the Rollickers is "Lonely Little Cinderella", an otherwise-ordinary ballad, on which the group is backed by a group of trumpet, tenor sax, violin, piano and vibraphone. This record was issued as both a Diamond Disc and as a needle-cut record--and is highly desirable either way, especially as there is an eight-bar hot trumpet solo leading into the final chorus. Some folks, years and years ago, speculate that it was Bix. (Not blooming likely!)

It is possible, therefore, that Norman LeMoyne is the unknown fifth member of the group.

Subdivisions of the Rollickers occasionally appeared on Edison, usually to do vocal refrains. Victor Hall had at least one solo record for Edison. And "The Songsters--Ken and Vic" appeared on at least one vocal refrain for the same label.

In later years, a "Ken Christie" would be involved in radio, mostly working "behind the glass". Same guy?
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Rollickers (Vocal group)
Note on name: Often listed as Rollickers Quartet.
Search Rollickers on wikipedia.org
= Recordings are available for online listening. = Recordings were issued from this master.
No recordings issued from other masters. Show only matrixes with audio online
Company Matrix No. Size First Recording Date Title Primary Performer Description
Columbia W147969 10-in. 2/19/1929 Wedding bells (Are breaking up that old gang of mine) Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W147970 10-in. 2/19/1929 I'll tell the world (You're all the world to me) Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148124 10-in. 3/22/1929 Yours sincerely Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148125 10-in. 3/22/1929 I kiss your hand, madame Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148424 10-in. 5/7/1929 I'll always be in love with you The Cavaliers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148425 10-in. 5/7/1929 My dear The Cavaliers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148426 10-in. 4/12/1929 Why can't you Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148427 10-in. 4/12/1929 Used to you Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148502 10-in. 5/10/1929 Singin' in the rain Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148503 10-in. 5/10/1929 Nobody but you Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148692 10-in. 6/12/1929 Until the end Fred Rich Orchestra Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148693 10-in. 6/12/1929 Wishing and waiting for love Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148856 10-in. 7/26/1929 Tip-toe through the tulips with me Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148857 10-in. 7/26/1929 I don't want your kisses (If I can't have your love) Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148973 10-in. 9/5/1929 Revolutionary rhythm Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148974 10-in. 9/5/1929 When the real thing comes your way Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W149429 10-in. 11/15/1929 He's so unusual Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W149430 10-in. 11/15/1929 Dixie jamboree Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W149738 10-in. 1/8/1930 What is this thing called love? Fred Rich Orchestra Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W149739 10-in. 1/8/1930 What would I care? Fred Rich Orchestra Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W149990 10-in. 2/17/1930 Send for me Fred Rich Orchestra Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W149994 10-in. 2/17/1930 Strike up the band! Fred Rich Orchestra Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W150411 10-in. 5/13/1930 Give yourself a pat on the back Johnny Walker and his Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W150412 10-in. 5/13/1930 The mug song Johnny Walker and his Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W150463 10-in. 4/15/1930 Dream Avenue Fred Rich Orchestra Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W150464 10-in. 4/15/1930 For you Fred Rich Orchestra Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W150497 10-in. 4/28/1930 Bird songs at eventide Rollickers Male vocal quartet, with piano
Columbia W150498 10-in. 4/28/1930 A spirit flower Rollickers Male vocal quartet, with piano
Columbia W150798 10-in. 9/12/1930 Sea rapture Rollickers Male vocal quartet, with violin and piano
Columbia W150799 10-in. 9/12/1930 The dawn brought me love and you Rollickers Male vocal quartet, with violin and piano (takes 1-3); with piano (takes 4-6)
Columbia W150852 10-in. 10/2/1930 In the silence of the night Rollickers Male vocal quartet, with piano
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Discography of American Historical Recordings, s.v. "Rollickers (Vocal group)," accessed June 30, 2017,http://adp.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/t ... ocal_group.

Several available here https://archive.org/details/FredRichaka ... n1925-1935

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June 30th, 2017, 8:07 pm #8

https://archive.org/details/FredRichaka ... edRich.mp3

Does anyone recognize any of the singers?

Albert
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June 30th, 2017, 9:59 pm #9

From DAHR

Rollickers (Vocal group)
Note on name: Often listed as Rollickers Quartet.
Search Rollickers on wikipedia.org
= Recordings are available for online listening. = Recordings were issued from this master.
No recordings issued from other masters. Show only matrixes with audio online
Company Matrix No. Size First Recording Date Title Primary Performer Description
Columbia W147969 10-in. 2/19/1929 Wedding bells (Are breaking up that old gang of mine) Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W147970 10-in. 2/19/1929 I'll tell the world (You're all the world to me) Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148124 10-in. 3/22/1929 Yours sincerely Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148125 10-in. 3/22/1929 I kiss your hand, madame Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148424 10-in. 5/7/1929 I'll always be in love with you The Cavaliers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148425 10-in. 5/7/1929 My dear The Cavaliers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148426 10-in. 4/12/1929 Why can't you Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148427 10-in. 4/12/1929 Used to you Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148502 10-in. 5/10/1929 Singin' in the rain Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148503 10-in. 5/10/1929 Nobody but you Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148692 10-in. 6/12/1929 Until the end Fred Rich Orchestra Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148693 10-in. 6/12/1929 Wishing and waiting for love Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148856 10-in. 7/26/1929 Tip-toe through the tulips with me Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148857 10-in. 7/26/1929 I don't want your kisses (If I can't have your love) Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148973 10-in. 9/5/1929 Revolutionary rhythm Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W148974 10-in. 9/5/1929 When the real thing comes your way Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W149429 10-in. 11/15/1929 He's so unusual Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W149430 10-in. 11/15/1929 Dixie jamboree Fred Rich Orchestra ; Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W149738 10-in. 1/8/1930 What is this thing called love? Fred Rich Orchestra Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W149739 10-in. 1/8/1930 What would I care? Fred Rich Orchestra Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W149990 10-in. 2/17/1930 Send for me Fred Rich Orchestra Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W149994 10-in. 2/17/1930 Strike up the band! Fred Rich Orchestra Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W150411 10-in. 5/13/1930 Give yourself a pat on the back Johnny Walker and his Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W150412 10-in. 5/13/1930 The mug song Johnny Walker and his Rollickers Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W150463 10-in. 4/15/1930 Dream Avenue Fred Rich Orchestra Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W150464 10-in. 4/15/1930 For you Fred Rich Orchestra Jazz/dance band, with male vocal quartet
Columbia W150497 10-in. 4/28/1930 Bird songs at eventide Rollickers Male vocal quartet, with piano
Columbia W150498 10-in. 4/28/1930 A spirit flower Rollickers Male vocal quartet, with piano
Columbia W150798 10-in. 9/12/1930 Sea rapture Rollickers Male vocal quartet, with violin and piano
Columbia W150799 10-in. 9/12/1930 The dawn brought me love and you Rollickers Male vocal quartet, with violin and piano (takes 1-3); with piano (takes 4-6)
Columbia W150852 10-in. 10/2/1930 In the silence of the night Rollickers Male vocal quartet, with piano
Citation

Discography of American Historical Recordings, s.v. "Rollickers (Vocal group)," accessed June 30, 2017,http://adp.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/t ... ocal_group.

Several available here https://archive.org/details/FredRichaka ... n1925-1935

Albert
.... the Rollickers are Bert Dixon, Arthur Fields and Jack Kaufman for
Wishing and Waiting for Love
Revolutionary Rhythm
When the Real Thing Comes Along
Why Can't You
Singin' in the Rain
Nobody But You

The Rollickers are Foster House, Victor Hall, Kenneth Christie, Lornnie McAdam and unknown for
Wedding Bells
I'll Tell the World

Let's listen to one of each:

Wedding Bells https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSYDNW60l2k
Why Can't You (one my all-time favorite songs!!!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW6Jn0tkRhA

To my ears, two different groups.

Albert
Tommy does Bix and so does Leo McConville in "Why Can't You?"
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James E. Parten
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July 1st, 2017, 3:57 pm #10

I think we can discount the idea of the Rollickers being made up of Bert Dixon, Arthur Fields and Jack Kaufman. This combination of names is a result of mis-reading of a discography's collective listing of vocalists.
Dixon, Fields and Kaufamn each had done vocal refrains with many bands--especially the latter two. A listing that says "Bert Dixon-Arthur Fields-Jack Kaufman-The Rollickers=v" can confuse even the best of us.

Dixon is not known to have done any ensemble work on records. Fields and Kaufman had done some duet work around 1919, mainly for Columbia and Edison. (They had even been two of the "Three Kaulfields"--the third being Irving Kaufman.)

From all that we've gleaned, we see that the Rollickers got a good deal of radio work into 1929 and 1930--which often took them away from current popular songs towards "standard" repertoire (as it was called at the time), bordering on the art song.

What's more, Columbia was turning to another quartet with a similar sounding name for their concerted vocal refrains: the Rondoliers. And thereby hangs another of those mysteries that leave serious record collectors with fingernail marks on their pates.
The liners for "The big Broadcast, Volume 5" give personnel for the Rondoliers as Royal Halle, Earl Palmer, Artells Dickinson, and Kenneth Schon--presumably the two tenors, baritone and bass, respectively.
Could "Royal Halle" also be the Roy Halle who worked for Terrytoons cartoons in the 1940's and 1950's? Halee was the singing voice of "Mighty Mouse" in many cartoon shorts.

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