Delirium

Delirium

Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

July 19th, 2010, 12:41 am #1

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">"Delirium" <span> </span>is a composition by pianist Arthur Schutt. After spending time with Paul Specht and the Georgians, Arthur Schutt was a member of Red Nichols small groups, the Redheads, We Three, Red and Miff Stompers, the Charleston Chasers and the Five Pennies. There are connections between Schutt and Bix. According to Stephen Stroff, "Redhead, A chronological Survey of Red Nichols and His Five Pennies," Schutt heard and met Bix in 1924 and the meeting changed Schutt's life and musical conception. Bix and Schutt played together in the Camel Pleasure Hour (June-October 1930) and at the Senior Hop, AmherstCollege, March 14, 1931.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">There are two well-known recordings of "Delirium" by Red Nichols groups.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">The first was by Red and Miff Stompers, Feb 11, 1927, Nichols, Mole, Dorsey, Schutt, Colucci and Berton. Two takes were issued, both available in the redhot jazz archives.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/nichols ... -Take2.ram
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/nichols ... -Take3.ram
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Also in youtube by Emrah      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fg2gMHJxrM   (what take?)
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">The recording is dominated by trap-man Victor Berton. There is also a chase between Jimmy and Red as well as a short solo by Miff, and an excellent solo by Schutt.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">The second is by the Charleston Chasers, May 18, 1927, Nichols, Mole, Dorsey, Schutt, McDonough, Tarto, Berton. Listen
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/nichols/Delirium.ram
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or
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Een_mtb1 ... 1&index=19
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This version is very different from Red and Miff's version. Schutt's piano solo is very similar here to the one in the Red and Miff version. Jimmy plays clarinet and alto. To my taste, Red and Miff's version is superior.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">In between these two recordings, there is one by Carl Fenton and His Orchestra, April 2, 1927, Nichols and another trumpet, Mole, Dorsey, Livingston or Russell, Schutt, Reser, Tarto, Berton. I don't have a link to it. Anyone can send an mp3 file? I am very curious to see how this version compares to the other two mentioned above.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">If you don't know about Carl Fenton, I call to your attention the fascinating excerpt from Allan Sutton's American Dance Band Encyclopedia.
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Bruce Bogen
Bruce Bogen

July 19th, 2010, 2:56 am #2

Albert, you'll recall that I'm in the Josh Duffee Orchestra. We have "Delirium," and we have performed it in concerts each of the last two weeks! Cool chart.

I don't know if you'll hear it at the Bix Fest this year, but I know Josh reads this forum. Maybe he'll put it in a set list!
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Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

July 19th, 2010, 11:16 am #3


Which arrangement of "Delirium" does the orchestra play? A stock arrangement (is there one)? The Columbia or Victor arrangement by Red Nichols? Neither, your own?

Look forward to seeing you on Th and to the sets by JD's Orchestra.

Albert
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Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

July 19th, 2010, 12:50 pm #4

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">"Delirium" <span> </span>is a composition by pianist Arthur Schutt. After spending time with Paul Specht and the Georgians, Arthur Schutt was a member of Red Nichols small groups, the Redheads, We Three, Red and Miff Stompers, the Charleston Chasers and the Five Pennies. There are connections between Schutt and Bix. According to Stephen Stroff, "Redhead, A chronological Survey of Red Nichols and His Five Pennies," Schutt heard and met Bix in 1924 and the meeting changed Schutt's life and musical conception. Bix and Schutt played together in the Camel Pleasure Hour (June-October 1930) and at the Senior Hop, AmherstCollege, March 14, 1931.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">There are two well-known recordings of "Delirium" by Red Nichols groups.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">The first was by Red and Miff Stompers, Feb 11, 1927, Nichols, Mole, Dorsey, Schutt, Colucci and Berton. Two takes were issued, both available in the redhot jazz archives.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/nichols ... -Take2.ram
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/nichols ... -Take3.ram
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Also in youtube by Emrah      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fg2gMHJxrM   (what take?)
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">The recording is dominated by trap-man Victor Berton. There is also a chase between Jimmy and Red as well as a short solo by Miff, and an excellent solo by Schutt.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">The second is by the Charleston Chasers, May 18, 1927, Nichols, Mole, Dorsey, Schutt, McDonough, Tarto, Berton. Listen
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/nichols/Delirium.ram
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

or
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Een_mtb1 ... 1&index=19
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This version is very different from Red and Miff's version. Schutt's piano solo is very similar here to the one in the Red and Miff version. Jimmy plays clarinet and alto. To my taste, Red and Miff's version is superior.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">In between these two recordings, there is one by Carl Fenton and His Orchestra, April 2, 1927, Nichols and another trumpet, Mole, Dorsey, Livingston or Russell, Schutt, Reser, Tarto, Berton. I don't have a link to it. Anyone can send an mp3 file? I am very curious to see how this version compares to the other two mentioned above.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">If you don't know about Carl Fenton, I call to your attention the fascinating excerpt from Allan Sutton's American Dance Band Encyclopedia.
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Albert
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.... Br 3519. It was also issued on Voc 15556 as by the Tuxedo Orchestra.

The first recording of "Delirium" was by Roger Wolfe Kahn and His Orchestra in 1926. Unfortunately, it was rejected. There is an issued recording in 1927 by Jack Hylton's Kit Cat Band.

Speaking of the Kit Cat band, get a load of their version of "Riverboat Shuffle"

http://www.redhotjazz.com/Songs/kitcat/ ... huffle.ram

For the first ca 2 minutes, it follows the Wolverines recording quite closely, including a copy of Bix's solo.

Albert

 
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July 19th, 2010, 6:19 pm #5


sending mp3 files of Fenton's recording of "Delirium." Mick also sent a scan of the record label.



Copy and paste   bixbeiderbecke.com/DeliriumFentonNick.mp3

Nick comments, "I don't think the trumpet is <span class="yshortcuts" style="border-bottom:#366388 2px dotted;">Red Nichols</span> it sounds far too stiff. Nor do I think the trombone is Miff Mole, for the same reason (let alone the difference in tone)...and nor is the clarinet/alto by <span class="yshortcuts" style="border-bottom:#366388 2px dotted;">Jimmy Dorsey</span>. But I don't know who they are! All I can say is that these musicians are reading the stock arrangement of the number; I suspect that <span class="yshortcuts">Schutt</span> wrote the stock himself. The Kit Cat play the same arrangement. On both versions, the <span class="yshortcuts" style="background:transparent none repeat scroll 0% 0%;border-bottom:medium none;">piano solo</span> is exactly the same as Schutt wrote it out, except that the Kit Cat pianist Sid Bright (brother of Geraldo) is obviously so perplexed by the use of flattened fifths that he "corrects" the note the first time round"

I agree, not the three big guys -Red, Miff and Jimmy-  in Fenton's version. And Arthur Schutt is certainly not the pianist. The arrangement is closer to that to that in the Charleston Chasers version than that in Red and Miff Stompers version, but does not include alto and cornet solos. Probably musicians recruited by Brunswick for their studio recordings. (Go to you tube and listen to Libby Holman accompanied by the Brunswick Studio orchestra on "Moaning Low" and "Am I Blue?")

Albert
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John Leifert
John Leifert

July 19th, 2010, 7:21 pm #6

I've had "Delirium" by Fenton on an American Brunswick copy for many years, and I completely agree with Nick's assessment: Red, Miff and Jimmy are clearly not present, and certainly not the soloists! I think it was just assumed that they would be, given the title, but "Delirium" was actually published as a stock arrangement by, I believe, Robbins Music (Vince G could confirm this). Any band anywhere in America, Europe or indeed anywhere in the world this arrangement was sold could play this chart. The unease with which the musicians try to read the advanced harmonies here is a clear indicator that our heroes are not present. Certainly they are a group of competent studio musicians, but one's whose names are lost to time. I have to think they would most likely be names unknown to us, anyway.

John L
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July 19th, 2010, 9:15 pm #7

.... Br 3519. It was also issued on Voc 15556 as by the Tuxedo Orchestra.

The first recording of "Delirium" was by Roger Wolfe Kahn and His Orchestra in 1926. Unfortunately, it was rejected. There is an issued recording in 1927 by Jack Hylton's Kit Cat Band.

Speaking of the Kit Cat band, get a load of their version of "Riverboat Shuffle"

http://www.redhotjazz.com/Songs/kitcat/ ... huffle.ram

For the first ca 2 minutes, it follows the Wolverines recording quite closely, including a copy of Bix's solo.

Albert

 
.... stated that he and Miff were in the "Delirium" recording by Carl Fenton. Steve wrote in the Red Nichols facebook page,

<em>"The Carl Fenton side Red said it was he and Miff. He wasn't sure that it was the Five Pennies under the house band name of Carl Fenton. I am not either. Red made a lot of house dates, including backing vocalists Dick Robertson and Libby Holman for Brunswick."</em>

Albert
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Emrah Erken
Emrah Erken

July 19th, 2010, 9:49 pm #8

<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">"Delirium" <span> </span>is a composition by pianist Arthur Schutt. After spending time with Paul Specht and the Georgians, Arthur Schutt was a member of Red Nichols small groups, the Redheads, We Three, Red and Miff Stompers, the Charleston Chasers and the Five Pennies. There are connections between Schutt and Bix. According to Stephen Stroff, "Redhead, A chronological Survey of Red Nichols and His Five Pennies," Schutt heard and met Bix in 1924 and the meeting changed Schutt's life and musical conception. Bix and Schutt played together in the Camel Pleasure Hour (June-October 1930) and at the Senior Hop, AmherstCollege, March 14, 1931.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">There are two well-known recordings of "Delirium" by Red Nichols groups.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">The first was by Red and Miff Stompers, Feb 11, 1927, Nichols, Mole, Dorsey, Schutt, Colucci and Berton. Two takes were issued, both available in the redhot jazz archives.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/nichols ... -Take2.ram
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/nichols ... -Take3.ram
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Also in youtube by Emrah      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fg2gMHJxrM   (what take?)
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">The recording is dominated by trap-man Victor Berton. There is also a chase between Jimmy and Red as well as a short solo by Miff, and an excellent solo by Schutt.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">The second is by the Charleston Chasers, May 18, 1927, Nichols, Mole, Dorsey, Schutt, McDonough, Tarto, Berton. Listen
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/nichols/Delirium.ram
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">

or
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Een_mtb1 ... 1&index=19
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">This version is very different from Red and Miff's version. Schutt's piano solo is very similar here to the one in the Red and Miff version. Jimmy plays clarinet and alto. To my taste, Red and Miff's version is superior.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">In between these two recordings, there is one by Carl Fenton and His Orchestra, April 2, 1927, Nichols and another trumpet, Mole, Dorsey, Livingston or Russell, Schutt, Reser, Tarto, Berton. I don't have a link to it. Anyone can send an mp3 file? I am very curious to see how this version compares to the other two mentioned above.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">If you don't know about Carl Fenton, I call to your attention the fascinating excerpt from Allan Sutton's American Dance Band Encyclopedia.
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"> 
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;">Albert
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwaYQGz-RxA



I wasn't able to find this version neither in Rust nor in the redhotjazz archive...


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July 19th, 2010, 10:58 pm #9


The link you gave takes us to a youtube of Columbia 1335-D, "My Melancholy Baby" by the Charl;eston Chasers. I don't understand the connection to "Delirium" and to "Edison."

Please clarify. Thanks.

Albert

 
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Emrah Erken
Emrah Erken

July 20th, 2010, 4:30 am #10

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