"Crying All Day"

"Crying All Day"

Brad Kay
Brad Kay

November 8th, 2017, 11:52 pm #1

Leafing casually through the Rust Jazz book, as is my wont on an overcast day, I found:

GEORGE MONKHOUSE AND HIS CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY QUINQUAGINTA RAMBLERS
George Monkhouse, bj, g , dir: R. D. Carter-Pedlar, A. G. V. Aldridge, t / R. Pickford, cl, as / Douglas Smith, R. M. Glen, as / T. M. Aynsley, N. W. Dainty, ts / Richard Philpott, p / Nigel Ryland, bb / R. Marker, d / F. Childs, v. London, March 12, 1930.

Crying All Day Par R-657

Is this the same "Crying All Day" recorded by Trumbauer?

Curious ears want to hear!

-Brad Kay
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David Tenner
David Tenner

November 9th, 2017, 12:00 am #2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z--5uDjK2SA (Probably you missed it because of the Cryin' instead of Crying...)
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November 9th, 2017, 12:15 am #3

Leafing casually through the Rust Jazz book, as is my wont on an overcast day, I found:

GEORGE MONKHOUSE AND HIS CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY QUINQUAGINTA RAMBLERS
George Monkhouse, bj, g , dir: R. D. Carter-Pedlar, A. G. V. Aldridge, t / R. Pickford, cl, as / Douglas Smith, R. M. Glen, as / T. M. Aynsley, N. W. Dainty, ts / Richard Philpott, p / Nigel Ryland, bb / R. Marker, d / F. Childs, v. London, March 12, 1930.

Crying All Day Par R-657

Is this the same "Crying All Day" recorded by Trumbauer?

Curious ears want to hear!

-Brad Kay
.... was an Elizalde group.
Fromhttp://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/me ... lizalde+in+....

"By March 1927 Elizalde had already made his first British jazz recordings, with a group of fellow students initially called the Quinquaginta Ramblers, but whom the record companies styled as his Varsity Band or his Cambridge Undergraduates. These discs consisted of well-known jazz tunes arranged by Elizalde."

A very good CD:

https://www.allmusic.com/album/cambridg ... 0001772124

Albert



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Nick Dellow
Nick Dellow

November 9th, 2017, 2:50 am #4


......wasn't an Elizalde group. Though George Monkhouse was in the Elizalde-led Quinquaginta Ramblers band in 1926/1927, by the time the band was known as "George Monkhouse and his Cambridge University Quinquaginta Ramblers" Elizalde had long gone.

"George Monkhouse and his Cambridge University Quinquaginta Ramblers" were formed in 1929 and apart from Monkhouse himself, none of the sidemen had been members of the Elizalde-led version back in 1926/1927....not surprising really as this was a varsity band and all the men in Elizalde's group had graduated. The Monkhouse version of the band recorded in December 1929 and March 1930. These sides were reissued by Jazz Oracle several years ago on an excellent CD entitled "Cambridge University Jazz".

In fact, Elizalde didn't even form the earlier Quinquaginta band - he simply took over an existing band at Cambridge and added "Ramblers" in honour of the California Ramblers. His brother Manuel ("Lizz") was a member of the band before Fred arrived from California in the Autumn of 1926. Incidentally, the "Quinquaginta" name comes from the Quinquaginta Club, a Cambridge University affiliated debating society formed in the early 19th Century that originally had 50 members (hence the name)!

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Brad Kay
Brad Kay

November 9th, 2017, 6:55 am #5

THIS is what the internet is good for! Ask, and you shall receive. The video was uploaded barely a month ago! A strange coincidence, eh? THANK YOU, Mr. Tenner, for bringing it up so swiftly, and Mr. Dellow, for your infra Cambridge knowledge.

Having now heard the record, it sounds exactly like the Trumbauer OKeh, only with all the charm and grace filtered out. The Quinquaginata boys get due credit for the ambition and taste of taking on "Crying All Day," but they turn in an amateur performance that had ME Cryin', and it wasn't for joy.

-Brad K
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November 9th, 2017, 3:22 pm #6

......wasn't an Elizalde group. Though George Monkhouse was in the Elizalde-led Quinquaginta Ramblers band in 1926/1927, by the time the band was known as "George Monkhouse and his Cambridge University Quinquaginta Ramblers" Elizalde had long gone.

"George Monkhouse and his Cambridge University Quinquaginta Ramblers" were formed in 1929 and apart from Monkhouse himself, none of the sidemen had been members of the Elizalde-led version back in 1926/1927....not surprising really as this was a varsity band and all the men in Elizalde's group had graduated. The Monkhouse version of the band recorded in December 1929 and March 1930. These sides were reissued by Jazz Oracle several years ago on an excellent CD entitled "Cambridge University Jazz".

In fact, Elizalde didn't even form the earlier Quinquaginta band - he simply took over an existing band at Cambridge and added "Ramblers" in honour of the California Ramblers. His brother Manuel ("Lizz") was a member of the band before Fred arrived from California in the Autumn of 1926. Incidentally, the "Quinquaginta" name comes from the Quinquaginta Club, a Cambridge University affiliated debating society formed in the early 19th Century that originally had 50 members (hence the name)!
An article about Elizalde with a photo of Elizalde's Quinquaginta Ramblers. Any errors, Nick?

https://archive.nationaljazzarchive.co. ... e-033-0008

https://archive.nationaljazzarchive.co. ... tyPhoto/0/

https://archive.nationaljazzarchive.co. ... tyPhoto/0/

Albert

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November 9th, 2017, 3:58 pm #7

Fred Elizalde And His Varsity Band : John D'Arcy Hildyard (tp) Dick Battle (tp,flhrn) Manuel "Lizz" Elizalde, Jack Donaldson (cl,as,sop) Dan Wyllie (as,bassax) Maurice Allom (cl,as,ts,bar) Fred Elizalde (p,arr) George Cosmo Monkhouse (bj) Bud Williams (tu) Eric Sandars (d)
London, England, March 30, 1927
Hurricane (Composed by Paul Mertz, if memory serves)

https://archive.org/details/FredElizald ... e+1927.mp3

Fred Elizalde And His Cambridge Undergraduates : same pers
Hayes, Midd., June 22, 1927
Clarinet Marmalade

https://archive.org/details/FredElizald ... e+1927.mp3#

Albert


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Coscannon
Coscannon

November 9th, 2017, 6:45 pm #8

Leafing casually through the Rust Jazz book, as is my wont on an overcast day, I found:

GEORGE MONKHOUSE AND HIS CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY QUINQUAGINTA RAMBLERS
George Monkhouse, bj, g , dir: R. D. Carter-Pedlar, A. G. V. Aldridge, t / R. Pickford, cl, as / Douglas Smith, R. M. Glen, as / T. M. Aynsley, N. W. Dainty, ts / Richard Philpott, p / Nigel Ryland, bb / R. Marker, d / F. Childs, v. London, March 12, 1930.

Crying All Day Par R-657

Is this the same "Crying All Day" recorded by Trumbauer?

Curious ears want to hear!

-Brad Kay
R.D. Carter-Pedlar?
H.W. Dainty?

If lifesaving nicknames were ever needed...


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Nick Dellow
Nick Dellow

November 10th, 2017, 12:26 pm #9

The story about Elizalde forming the Quinquaginta band and taking the undergraduates to a music shop to pick out instruments of their choice, then rehearsing them until they could play them well enough, is completely untrue. In fact, it's a classic case of Chinese Whispers: what actually happened was that the band's instruments were destroyed in a fire in the building they were stored in - Elizalde paid for the band to buy new replacement instruments from a music shop in Cambridge. And as already mentioned, he didn't form the band - it was already in existence before he came to England from California.

It was these false stories (I guess they'd be called "fake news" today!) that prompted the Quinquaginta band's sax player Dan Wyllie to fire off letters of protest years later, whenever the stories were retold in articles. I have an interview with him on tape somewhere and he talks about the band in some detail, and puts the record straight.

The rest of the article looks OK. I am familiar with it but hadn't read it for years! Ted Walker was a knowledgeable guy, and a nice person as well. His son, Steve Walker, has carried on where his father left off and, in particular, is an expert on early dance bands and ragtime in England.
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November 10th, 2017, 7:08 pm #10

Fred Elizalde And His Varsity Band : John D'Arcy Hildyard (tp) Dick Battle (tp,flhrn) Manuel "Lizz" Elizalde, Jack Donaldson (cl,as,sop) Dan Wyllie (as,bassax) Maurice Allom (cl,as,ts,bar) Fred Elizalde (p,arr) George Cosmo Monkhouse (bj) Bud Williams (tu) Eric Sandars (d)
London, England, March 30, 1927
Hurricane (Composed by Paul Mertz, if memory serves)

https://archive.org/details/FredElizald ... e+1927.mp3

Fred Elizalde And His Cambridge Undergraduates : same pers
Hayes, Midd., June 22, 1927
Clarinet Marmalade

https://archive.org/details/FredElizald ... e+1927.mp3#

Albert

.... by Fred Elizalde's band in Aug-Sep 1927 with a Bixian Jack Jackson. Here is this version, courtesy of Brian Goggin.

https://soundcloud.com/briansgoggin/cla ... elds-ragas

Albert
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