An Excellent youtube Video of Lud Gluskin's Dec 1928 Recording of ....

An Excellent youtube Video of Lud Gluskin's Dec 1928 Recording of ....

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April 7th, 2012, 2:21 pm #1


.... <em>Tiger Rag. </em>A joint contribution of two strong supporters of the Bixography Forum, Enrico and Nick. A first-class video, sound and text.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yPyRBOv ... e=youtu.be

Enrico made the announcement in a facebook page, Hot Jazz Records (1917-1931) Here are my remarks in the facebook page.
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April 7th, 2012, 3:52 pm #2


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<span class="commentBody">Problems.
The dates I gave for the three recordings of Tiger Rag by Lud Gluskin are from Rust. Somewhat different dates are given by Horst Bergmeier and Rainer E. Lotz in their ""Lud Gluskin" A Bio-Discography.

1. Paris Feb 10, 1928. 8406 Tiger Rag. One-Step (Lerry Schield -sic) X-6226
2. Berlin Jan 16, 1929 437-D Tiger Rag (L Shields and D. La Rocca) Ho4-3021
3. Berlin Jan 17, 1929 2188 Tiger Rag. Foxtrot (L. Shields - LaRocca) TRE TE.5463

To make things even worse, the liner notes for Jazz Oracle CD cited by Emrah give for the two versions included:

1. Paris Feb 10, 1927 N 8406 Tiger Rag Pathe X.6226
2. Berlin or Paris Probably spring or summer 1929 4064 Tiger Rag British Photophone 4064</span>

<span class="commentBody">Albert</span>

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April 7th, 2012, 4:38 pm #3


<span class="commentBody">I think the 1927 date in the Jazz Oracle CD for the Paris recording is a typo. In the text of the liner notes the date is given as 1928.

The British Phototone record is a synchronized single-sided disc. The synchronization is for a three minute film. It is different than the recording uploaded by Enrico and Nick; also different than the two versions in my WBIX program. It does not have a trombone solo. The version uploaded by Enrico and Nick is very similar to the second version I played in the WBIX progra. The key difference is that in the WBIX program version, Spencer Clark's solo is a piece of "National Emblem March."</span>

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April 7th, 2012, 11:57 pm #4

I just posted in the facebook page

<span class="commentBody">Problems.
The dates I gave for the three recordings of Tiger Rag by Lud Gluskin are from Rust. Somewhat different dates are given by Horst Bergmeier and Rainer E. Lotz in their ""Lud Gluskin" A Bio-Discography.

1. Paris Feb 10, 1928. 8406 Tiger Rag. One-Step (Lerry Schield -sic) X-6226
2. Berlin Jan 16, 1929 437-D Tiger Rag (L Shields and D. La Rocca) Ho4-3021
3. Berlin Jan 17, 1929 2188 Tiger Rag. Foxtrot (L. Shields - LaRocca) TRE TE.5463

To make things even worse, the liner notes for Jazz Oracle CD cited by Emrah give for the two versions included:

1. Paris Feb 10, 1927 N 8406 Tiger Rag Pathe X.6226
2. Berlin or Paris Probably spring or summer 1929 4064 Tiger Rag British Photophone 4064</span>

<span class="commentBody">Albert</span>

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For the convenience of readers interested in the subject, I uploaded mp3 files of all four recordings. 

http://bixbeiderbecke.com/GluskinTigerR ... erRag.html

Albert

 
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April 9th, 2012, 2:35 pm #5

I just posted in the facebook page

<span class="commentBody">Problems.
The dates I gave for the three recordings of Tiger Rag by Lud Gluskin are from Rust. Somewhat different dates are given by Horst Bergmeier and Rainer E. Lotz in their ""Lud Gluskin" A Bio-Discography.

1. Paris Feb 10, 1928. 8406 Tiger Rag. One-Step (Lerry Schield -sic) X-6226
2. Berlin Jan 16, 1929 437-D Tiger Rag (L Shields and D. La Rocca) Ho4-3021
3. Berlin Jan 17, 1929 2188 Tiger Rag. Foxtrot (L. Shields - LaRocca) TRE TE.5463

To make things even worse, the liner notes for Jazz Oracle CD cited by Emrah give for the two versions included:

1. Paris Feb 10, 1927 N 8406 Tiger Rag Pathe X.6226
2. Berlin or Paris Probably spring or summer 1929 4064 Tiger Rag British Photophone 4064</span>

<span class="commentBody">Albert</span>

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<span class="commentBody">Rust gives Dec 17, 1928. Bergmeier and Lotz in their Gluskin bio-discography give Jan 17, 1929. I got in touch with Rainer Lotz and he kindly informs me that the date in his Gluskin book comes form Gluskin diaries.</span>

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April 9th, 2012, 2:58 pm #6

I just posted in the facebook page

<span class="commentBody">Problems.
The dates I gave for the three recordings of Tiger Rag by Lud Gluskin are from Rust. Somewhat different dates are given by Horst Bergmeier and Rainer E. Lotz in their ""Lud Gluskin" A Bio-Discography.

1. Paris Feb 10, 1928. 8406 Tiger Rag. One-Step (Lerry Schield -sic) X-6226
2. Berlin Jan 16, 1929 437-D Tiger Rag (L Shields and D. La Rocca) Ho4-3021
3. Berlin Jan 17, 1929 2188 Tiger Rag. Foxtrot (L. Shields - LaRocca) TRE TE.5463

To make things even worse, the liner notes for Jazz Oracle CD cited by Emrah give for the two versions included:

1. Paris Feb 10, 1927 N 8406 Tiger Rag Pathe X.6226
2. Berlin or Paris Probably spring or summer 1929 4064 Tiger Rag British Photophone 4064</span>

<span class="commentBody">Albert</span>

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Ron,

Can you help with this?
According to the liner notes for Oracle Jazz CD BDW 8045, Lud Gluskin has a recording of Tiger Rag on British Photone 4064. These Phototone records were single-sided discs synchronized  to films. There is a list of some of these in
http://www.mgthomas.co.uk/dancebands/La ... totone.htm
I am interested 4064. Do you have information about the film associated with the recording of Tiger Rag by Lud Gluskin? I have a little bit of information about Phototone 4070, That's A Plenty. It was the soundtrack for a UFA (Universum Film AG) short featuring black dancer Barbara Le May. Do you know if the films for 4064 and 4070 exist?
Another question. It is puzzling to me that the films were made in Germany, but the soundtracks were issued in British Phototone. Can you explain?
Thanks very much.

Albert
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April 9th, 2012, 8:59 pm #7

I just posted in the facebook page

<span class="commentBody">Problems.
The dates I gave for the three recordings of Tiger Rag by Lud Gluskin are from Rust. Somewhat different dates are given by Horst Bergmeier and Rainer E. Lotz in their ""Lud Gluskin" A Bio-Discography.

1. Paris Feb 10, 1928. 8406 Tiger Rag. One-Step (Lerry Schield -sic) X-6226
2. Berlin Jan 16, 1929 437-D Tiger Rag (L Shields and D. La Rocca) Ho4-3021
3. Berlin Jan 17, 1929 2188 Tiger Rag. Foxtrot (L. Shields - LaRocca) TRE TE.5463

To make things even worse, the liner notes for Jazz Oracle CD cited by Emrah give for the two versions included:

1. Paris Feb 10, 1927 N 8406 Tiger Rag Pathe X.6226
2. Berlin or Paris Probably spring or summer 1929 4064 Tiger Rag British Photophone 4064</span>

<span class="commentBody">Albert</span>

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdb2co ... inah_music

At the beginning of the video  there is a piece of a film of the Gluskin orchestra, but clearly the band is not playing Dinah. I wonder what is the film. Could it be "That's A Plenty" or "Tiger Rag"?

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April 10th, 2012, 9:30 pm #8


.... audio and video synchronized. The vocal is by the Kentucky Singers.
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<span>http://www.youtube.com/</span><span class="word_break"></span>w.tch?v=eezvWjxJXD0</span>

<span class="commentBody">The audio in the previous link </span>
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdb2co ... inah_music

<span class="commentBody">comes from the commercial recording, Paris, June 1932, Pathe X-96199. Danny Polo takes two solos, one on alto and one on clarinet.</span>

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April 11th, 2012, 11:35 am #9

Ron,

Can you help with this?
According to the liner notes for Oracle Jazz CD BDW 8045, Lud Gluskin has a recording of Tiger Rag on British Photone 4064. These Phototone records were single-sided discs synchronized  to films. There is a list of some of these in
http://www.mgthomas.co.uk/dancebands/La ... totone.htm
I am interested 4064. Do you have information about the film associated with the recording of Tiger Rag by Lud Gluskin? I have a little bit of information about Phototone 4070, That's A Plenty. It was the soundtrack for a UFA (Universum Film AG) short featuring black dancer Barbara Le May. Do you know if the films for 4064 and 4070 exist?
Another question. It is puzzling to me that the films were made in Germany, but the soundtracks were issued in British Phototone. Can you explain?
Thanks very much.

Albert
<span class="commentBody">Hi Albert.
I know one of the two Gluskin Phototone disks is in our database, I believe the one that was out on a CD. To my knowledge, no film survives for either of the Gluskin shorts. I own about 8 Phototone disks. They play at 78 rpm, unlike most other soundtrack disks which are at 33 1//3 rpm. So the films run under 4 minutes. Britain was somewhat ahead of the rest of Europe on sound films and therefore had many more theatres to show them in during the first half of 1929. So films made in Germany (are you sure the Gluskin was?) utilized existing British or American companies to issue them. This did not last long. Hope this helps.</span>

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<span class="commentBody">Thanks very much. Indeed, the Phototone discs run at 78 rpm and are 12 inch in diameter. I am pretty certain that the films were made in Germany.
The Phototone record of "Tiger Rag" is one of the tracks in the Lud Gluskin Jazz Oracle CD.</span></span>

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April 12th, 2012, 9:30 pm #10

.... audio and video synchronized. The vocal is by the Kentucky Singers.
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<span>http://www.youtube.com/</span><span class="word_break"></span>w.tch?v=eezvWjxJXD0</span>

<span class="commentBody">The audio in the previous link </span>
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdb2co ... inah_music

<span class="commentBody">comes from the commercial recording, Paris, June 1932, Pathe X-96199. Danny Polo takes two solos, one on alto and one on clarinet.</span>

<span class="commentBody">Albert</span>
I asked the individual who uploaded the video. His/her response

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