RAAF Earth Brown

RAAF Earth Brown

Joined: July 11th, 2005, 1:01 pm

August 16th, 2010, 1:08 pm #1

Hello,

Can someone assist me please, is RAAF Earth Brown a readily available paint here in Oz or do i have to order Pollyscale's from abroad....or....is their an adequate equal to this color in humbrol or another Testor's brown
The current project is Clive Caldwell's Spitfire Mk VIII A58-464.

regards

Steve
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Joined: January 13th, 2007, 3:34 am

August 16th, 2010, 9:36 pm #2

As a general guide, use RAF dark earth and throw a bit of rust red (or hull colour or brick red) into it to give it a slightly reddish hue.

God's gift to RAAF modellers is that wartime colours don't need to be perfect unless you are modelling a factory-fresh finish, and even then, shades and hues would have varied between paint batches.

As mentioned many times here & elsewhere, colours faded & oxidised very quickly in tropical conditions. Add scuffing, fuel, grease & oil dribbles, dust & sand abrasion, etc, etc and the end result is whatever you want it to be.
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Joined: April 20th, 2005, 3:54 am

August 16th, 2010, 10:04 pm #3

Hello,

Can someone assist me please, is RAAF Earth Brown a readily available paint here in Oz or do i have to order Pollyscale's from abroad....or....is their an adequate equal to this color in humbrol or another Testor's brown
The current project is Clive Caldwell's Spitfire Mk VIII A58-464.

regards

Steve
As it most likely just got a spray of Foliage Green over the middle stone of the RAF desert scheme, leaving the dark earth and azure blue intact.

For the general question, I would add some black to James' recipe of RAF dark earth with a bit of red. I generally use a humbrol dark gloss brown - can't recall the colour but it's the only one in their range.
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Joined: April 29th, 2008, 10:01 am

August 16th, 2010, 11:16 pm #4

Hi Steve,

White Ensign Models ColourCotes do this, and are the most accurate paints. There entire paint range is as close to 100% accurate as you can get. And we do have them in stock.

Glen

Glen Burns

Creative Models Australia
glen@creativemodels.com.au
www.creativemodels.com.au
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Joined: March 22nd, 2005, 4:06 am

August 17th, 2010, 12:34 am #5

As it most likely just got a spray of Foliage Green over the middle stone of the RAF desert scheme, leaving the dark earth and azure blue intact.

For the general question, I would add some black to James' recipe of RAF dark earth with a bit of red. I generally use a humbrol dark gloss brown - can't recall the colour but it's the only one in their range.
Brown Bess ? about No 3 or 10
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Joined: February 28th, 2005, 2:04 am

August 17th, 2010, 2:33 am #6

Hello,

Can someone assist me please, is RAAF Earth Brown a readily available paint here in Oz or do i have to order Pollyscale's from abroad....or....is their an adequate equal to this color in humbrol or another Testor's brown
The current project is Clive Caldwell's Spitfire Mk VIII A58-464.

regards

Steve
Am I right in thinking there were a couple of shades of earth brown - a reddish shade, tending to be used earlier in the war, and a greenish shade?

The colour chip in the red roo book is, to my eye, not dissimilar to (albeit browner than) olive drab. Foliage green is, however, a very green green which tones down the apparent greenness of the earth brown when they are next to each other.

Edit: oh, and as David said, unless the airframe had been completely repainted, what you want is RAF dark earth - combined with RAF azure blue, and something along the lines of US medium green, maybe darkened a touch, for the foliage green.
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Joined: May 13th, 2005, 8:02 am

August 17th, 2010, 4:53 am #7

Hello,

Can someone assist me please, is RAAF Earth Brown a readily available paint here in Oz or do i have to order Pollyscale's from abroad....or....is their an adequate equal to this color in humbrol or another Testor's brown
The current project is Clive Caldwell's Spitfire Mk VIII A58-464.

regards

Steve
I never really thought that there were more than one shade of Earth Bown, but stand to be corrected, I thought that there were several different shades of Foliage Green, but then they could all be just a matter of the colour photos of the day giving different shades.

When I get and use paints I usually make a sample of what it is like, and put it on a small card, and keep for future reference in case it matches something else I might want.

I have a few samples of Earth Brown which is most commoly described as being close to FS 30099.

In the first photo taken in the shade there is really no difference.




In this photo taken in the sun, Gunze H84 "Mahogany" which is at the bottom, moving up clockwise is Tamiya XF9 "Hull Red" which has been recommended by Brett Green on at least one occasion, next is the genuine FS color chart FS 30099, with Lifecolour FS 30099 RAAF Earth Brown at the very top, a close match to the chip, on the right is Pollyscale which matches FS30099 K3/177 RAAF Earth Brown exactly to the FS chip, and in the middle bottom below the FS chip is Ian K Baker's colour chip, and the Gunze H84 at the bottom is a dead ringer for that.

So you have several choices, it just depends on whose interpretation of the original colour you want to believe, me, I tend towards Ian Baker, as he has done the real research, I don't have the Red Roo colour chart to compare with though, so no idea if Ian and Gary have come to the same conclusion.

Gunze, Tamiya should be available in Australia, and so should Lifecolour, although I have written on the card it was not very opaque, and I think it mostly comes as a RAAF colour set.




cheers Graeme
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Joined: July 11th, 2005, 1:01 pm

August 17th, 2010, 6:16 am #8

Thanks to all who responded, what i've ended up doing is going to the local supplier and purchased Testor enamel Earth Brown No.2108 (French)



I'll add white until i get RAAF Earth Brown



Either way, like has been stated earlier i'll get pretty close.

cheers

Steve
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Joined: April 1st, 2010, 7:21 am

August 17th, 2010, 8:06 am #9

Hello,

Can someone assist me please, is RAAF Earth Brown a readily available paint here in Oz or do i have to order Pollyscale's from abroad....or....is their an adequate equal to this color in humbrol or another Testor's brown
The current project is Clive Caldwell's Spitfire Mk VIII A58-464.

regards

Steve
a couple of points.

Caldwell never flew A58-464. The two Spitfire VIIIs he flew regularly, and that carried his CR-C codes, were A58-484 and A58-528. AS David has already pointed out,neither had Earth Brown as a camouflage colour.

A58-464 was not used by an operational unit. The furthest North it got was to Parkes in NSW where it served with 8 OTU from November 1944 to November 1945. Photos showed that it retained its RAF desert camouflage while with that unit.

Seems as though your reference is a bit inaccurate. If I can help further, let me know,

Peter

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Joined: July 11th, 2005, 1:01 pm

August 17th, 2010, 9:59 am #10

Many thanks Peter, you have certainly pointed out a glaring inaccuracy with some decal sheets and cleared the confusion.

Steve
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