Israel to get F-35s

Israel to get F-35s

Joined: March 5th, 2005, 9:03 am

October 8th, 2010, 2:33 am #1

For those who are interested, it is being reported today that Israel has just announced an order for some 20 F-35s.
So now we all sit back and see the JSF get some "real-world" field testing. Just as we did with the the F-15 and F-16. Look out Iran and Syria!!!!
TOR
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October 8th, 2010, 3:34 am #2

It was only a matter of time with F35's for them (remember that they do not technically pay for most of their orders from the US so it is in fact more or less free of charge...whereas we have to pay for ours.)

But I would be very surprised if they don't receive a small amount of F22's in the long run (especially if Syria/Iran order Raptorski - the new PAKFA) - they possibly may even already fly them just has not been publicized...

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Joined: April 20th, 2005, 10:41 pm

October 8th, 2010, 3:47 am #3

For those who are interested, it is being reported today that Israel has just announced an order for some 20 F-35s.
So now we all sit back and see the JSF get some "real-world" field testing. Just as we did with the the F-15 and F-16. Look out Iran and Syria!!!!
TOR
Yeah saw that the other week, but its all up to the US Congrees if they will allow it. Its hard to tell if Congress will allow it & with recent tensions & even many US allies (Egypt etc) would get highly nervous, much like any sales of military hardware to Tawain & even then is very basic not to upset the Chinese - sure if Taiwan is allowed to receive the JSF) but seems that Israel is willing to produce some parts to gurantee their sale - but Israel has also said that if they are not given access to the JSF they will produce their own version.

Also read the other day that Israel is reportedly sending one of their submarines into the Gulf area to sneak around Iran in preparation of any strikes. Of course Israel is officially saying they do not, but some navy officer off the record told a reporter that they do.

But from a modelling point of view...get the decals from the Hobbyboss 1/72 F-16 & mark up the recent tooled JSF's that are going to be released this year. Now to see how many people would model the A , B or C verion in RAAF markings, as we are only getting the A version , but in the new edition of Navy news there is a big push for a few B versions for the HMAS Canberra & Adelaide with the issues with the Tiger (non maritime-equipt eg special filters for salt air etc)that we need quick & strong CAS or we invest in some navalised UAV's
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Joined: February 27th, 2005, 11:31 pm

October 8th, 2010, 3:51 am #4

It was only a matter of time with F35's for them (remember that they do not technically pay for most of their orders from the US so it is in fact more or less free of charge...whereas we have to pay for ours.)

But I would be very surprised if they don't receive a small amount of F22's in the long run (especially if Syria/Iran order Raptorski - the new PAKFA) - they possibly may even already fly them just has not been publicized...

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Before there are any 2nd hand F-22s available for anybody.

The USAF has had it's order cut to the bone and they won't be giving any up for probably 20 years....

If Isreal do get some F-22s they will be new build ones and they will probably have to pay for them on a commercial contract.

That is a much more likely scenario (they CAN find the money if they have to).
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October 8th, 2010, 4:20 am #5

Yeah saw that the other week, but its all up to the US Congrees if they will allow it. Its hard to tell if Congress will allow it & with recent tensions & even many US allies (Egypt etc) would get highly nervous, much like any sales of military hardware to Tawain & even then is very basic not to upset the Chinese - sure if Taiwan is allowed to receive the JSF) but seems that Israel is willing to produce some parts to gurantee their sale - but Israel has also said that if they are not given access to the JSF they will produce their own version.

Also read the other day that Israel is reportedly sending one of their submarines into the Gulf area to sneak around Iran in preparation of any strikes. Of course Israel is officially saying they do not, but some navy officer off the record told a reporter that they do.

But from a modelling point of view...get the decals from the Hobbyboss 1/72 F-16 & mark up the recent tooled JSF's that are going to be released this year. Now to see how many people would model the A , B or C verion in RAAF markings, as we are only getting the A version , but in the new edition of Navy news there is a big push for a few B versions for the HMAS Canberra & Adelaide with the issues with the Tiger (non maritime-equipt eg special filters for salt air etc)that we need quick & strong CAS or we invest in some navalised UAV's
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If it suites the US agenda, the US Congress would certainly, (and very probably actively encourage and facilitate), the sale of F-35s to Israel, despite any potential public or political back-lash. This mentality has been demonstrated and prevailed in the past where despite significant international objections and protests at the time, US sales of Boeing E-3 AWACS aircraft to Saudia Arabia, F-14s to Iran, F-16s to Taiwan, and F-15s to Israel went ahead regardless.
I would think that it would conveniently serve American political and military interests to have Israeli Air Force F-35s take-out Iranian nuclear weapons facilities if required to do so, just as Israeli F-16s took-out Iraqi nuclear facilities in 1981.
Mission accomplished!!!, and no blood on American hands!!!
Ahhhh yeah, you WILL see F-35s in Israeli service, of that there is no doubt.
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October 8th, 2010, 4:45 am #6

For those who are interested, it is being reported today that Israel has just announced an order for some 20 F-35s.
So now we all sit back and see the JSF get some "real-world" field testing. Just as we did with the the F-15 and F-16. Look out Iran and Syria!!!!
TOR
and also a little unsurprising.

It is also notable that an airforce that actually has occasion to fight but has total supremacy in the region using 4th generation fighters and will continue to do so for some time, nonetheless thinks it worthwhile to invest in 5th gen technology.

On the surface a purchase of F-22 for the IDF seems reasonable, but there are two things going against it:

1. as already noted, the production run is cut to the bone and there won't be spares.

2. The IDF seems not to have been interested in new pure fighters for a while - quite happy with their F-15Is and F-16Is.

On which point, btw, ordered one of the 1-72 Kinetic Sufas. Interested to see what it will be like.
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October 8th, 2010, 5:23 am #7

Yeah saw that the other week, but its all up to the US Congrees if they will allow it. Its hard to tell if Congress will allow it & with recent tensions & even many US allies (Egypt etc) would get highly nervous, much like any sales of military hardware to Tawain & even then is very basic not to upset the Chinese - sure if Taiwan is allowed to receive the JSF) but seems that Israel is willing to produce some parts to gurantee their sale - but Israel has also said that if they are not given access to the JSF they will produce their own version.

Also read the other day that Israel is reportedly sending one of their submarines into the Gulf area to sneak around Iran in preparation of any strikes. Of course Israel is officially saying they do not, but some navy officer off the record told a reporter that they do.

But from a modelling point of view...get the decals from the Hobbyboss 1/72 F-16 & mark up the recent tooled JSF's that are going to be released this year. Now to see how many people would model the A , B or C verion in RAAF markings, as we are only getting the A version , but in the new edition of Navy news there is a big push for a few B versions for the HMAS Canberra & Adelaide with the issues with the Tiger (non maritime-equipt eg special filters for salt air etc)that we need quick & strong CAS or we invest in some navalised UAV's
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October 8th, 2010, 6:43 am #8

I have not finishied reading the material, but the Navy League is very keen (& that is putting it mildly) that the new ships should have a detachment or a squadron of JSF Harrier versions as conflicts in the past have shown to rely on the Airforce to cover the fleet (eg Prince of Wales/Repulse) or take a beach head & capture a local airfield doesnt always work & the need for a fleet with its own full air support (eg Harriers in the Falklands, or RAF jets when Iraq was looking to invade Kuwait back in the 60's as when the RAF jets turned up there was little or no supoprt & they pulled out very quickly & replaced by a RN carrier) is strongly needed... they dont say that the RAN should have its only airwing or if the RAAF should have all the fixed wing elements & if we cant get the B version we should look at navalised UAV's as UAV's can now carry more firepower than the Tiger

Having to rely on helicopter gunships is not practical as a chopper can be slow & easy to engage by ground forces or hunted down by enemy jets. They have been critical in the past of the Tiger & its set up - the engine & other key areas are not shielded to prevent salt water, which i understand that the Tiger must be protected from the elements if its on a long cruise or if the ship is being hit by sea water while on anchor or also understand its limited in hot weather eniroments & hence will not ever be sent to Afghanistan(yet the French or Germans have sent their 1st deployment there to evaluate them in real situations including combat) as for Maritime MRH-90 they said something about its failure to have power operated folding blades- they couldnt decide in a previous issue which was better the MRH-90 or Sh-60R as both had pros & cons.

Still i guess would be nice to even get just a few harrier versions, but how many do you get 6 , 10 or 20 (also if we got 10 would that make a squadron or would it be a detachment "A & B" flight 77 Sqn fly F-35A while "C" flight fly F-35B?...they sell the F-35 as the universal fighter that anyone who has worked on 1 version can work on the other versions as most of the parts are all interchangeable) & then who gets them the RAAF or RAN & if RAAF there is issue while operating from the ships who is command RAN or RAAF...seems that are setting up a joint task command structure while the ships are in operation.

but anyhow only about 1-2 years before we see the 1st one out here, so be interestig to see if the navy makes a big song & dance on the commissioning & if there will be any special open days or tours on board, seeing that these 2 will be the biggest ships ever in RAN history
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October 8th, 2010, 9:50 am #9

Yeah saw that the other week, but its all up to the US Congrees if they will allow it. Its hard to tell if Congress will allow it & with recent tensions & even many US allies (Egypt etc) would get highly nervous, much like any sales of military hardware to Tawain & even then is very basic not to upset the Chinese - sure if Taiwan is allowed to receive the JSF) but seems that Israel is willing to produce some parts to gurantee their sale - but Israel has also said that if they are not given access to the JSF they will produce their own version.

Also read the other day that Israel is reportedly sending one of their submarines into the Gulf area to sneak around Iran in preparation of any strikes. Of course Israel is officially saying they do not, but some navy officer off the record told a reporter that they do.

But from a modelling point of view...get the decals from the Hobbyboss 1/72 F-16 & mark up the recent tooled JSF's that are going to be released this year. Now to see how many people would model the A , B or C verion in RAAF markings, as we are only getting the A version , but in the new edition of Navy news there is a big push for a few B versions for the HMAS Canberra & Adelaide with the issues with the Tiger (non maritime-equipt eg special filters for salt air etc)that we need quick & strong CAS or we invest in some navalised UAV's
For a multitude of reasons I just can't see it happening



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October 8th, 2010, 10:40 am #10

There is no way on gods green earth.... Maybe the RAAF might get a Sqn worth for CAS...

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