Sefton Clothing Co. 1932 Pattern Mae West

Sefton Clothing Co. 1932 Pattern Mae West

Joined: July 21st, 2008, 7:16 pm

February 8th, 2009, 5:50 pm #1


Hi All. I was talking to my father the other day, as you do, and he mentioned that for Christmas he had been trying to buy one of these Mae Wests for me. What followed was a long conversation between himself and Steve Silburn talking about the future for RAF reproduction items. According to my father they talked about a lot; among other things the possiblilty in the future of the metal end point on the B-type helmet chin strap. However, he said that Steve said that he could no longer source the correct material for the 1932 pattern life preserver so until that point, if it is even possible, there will be no more life vests.

This is a bitter blow for me, as I was looking to buy one for my collection to display until I bought a real one. Basically what I am trying to say is that if youcould, could you (Steve) post any more information on this subject?

Also, if anyone has an RAF issue 1932 pattern mae west, real or repro, then I may be interested. I do, though, prefer Sefton made examples to the Pegasus ones-unless the Pegasus one is amazingly good.

@Nigel Carver-didn't you once mention that someone in your RAF at War group made an even better one than Sefton? If so, then I may also be interested.

Cheers,

Ben
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Joined: September 7th, 2008, 5:53 am

February 9th, 2009, 4:27 am #2

Ben,

Can you restate what you said about the metal end points? It did not make sense to this colonial.

Cheers,

theotherChris
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Joined: July 21st, 2008, 7:16 pm

February 9th, 2009, 4:52 pm #3


Basically, if you look at a b-type it has-on the end/tip of the leather chinstrap-a metal tip in the shape of a 'V'. See here:

<a rel="nofollow"><img alt="side_b_helm.jpg \&quot;B\&quot; Helmet; the flying helmet used by the RAF in the Battle of France &amp; Britain image by 1928tsmg" src="http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x77/ ... m.jpg"></a>

Do you understand?

Cheers, Ben
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Joined: September 7th, 2008, 5:53 am

February 10th, 2009, 1:57 am #4

Ben, you wrote ".....among other things the possiblilty in the future of the metal end point on the B-type helmet chin strap." This makes no sense. So what about the metal end point? It goes away as he can't get them like the fabric? They will be sold separately? Their future was in doubt and now they have a future? What about it? My metal tips are optimists.....
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Joined: October 19th, 2003, 6:40 pm

February 10th, 2009, 12:29 pm #5

Sefton B type helmets have never been supplied with the metal tip to the chinstrap that the originals posessed. The possibility is that they can be added as an extra measure of authenticity to the reproduction.

I would think that the lack of a metal tip is a good 'tell' for a repro, as is the lack of true bennett buckle. However I think R&D should be put into new bennett buckle which has multiple applications - rather than relying on the waistcoat buckle currently used.
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Joined: January 28th, 2004, 10:21 am

February 10th, 2009, 4:22 pm #6

Hi All. I was talking to my father the other day, as you do, and he mentioned that for Christmas he had been trying to buy one of these Mae Wests for me. What followed was a long conversation between himself and Steve Silburn talking about the future for RAF reproduction items. According to my father they talked about a lot; among other things the possiblilty in the future of the metal end point on the B-type helmet chin strap. However, he said that Steve said that he could no longer source the correct material for the 1932 pattern life preserver so until that point, if it is even possible, there will be no more life vests.

This is a bitter blow for me, as I was looking to buy one for my collection to display until I bought a real one. Basically what I am trying to say is that if youcould, could you (Steve) post any more information on this subject?

Also, if anyone has an RAF issue 1932 pattern mae west, real or repro, then I may be interested. I do, though, prefer Sefton made examples to the Pegasus ones-unless the Pegasus one is amazingly good.

@Nigel Carver-didn't you once mention that someone in your RAF at War group made an even better one than Sefton? If so, then I may also be interested.

Cheers,

Ben
Hi Ben

Yes, one of my group members does make very good replica 1932 patt Mae Wests - once faded they do look like the real thing . He charges to make them but, in comparison to other replica's, this really only covers the material costs.

However, he really only does these now and again as a bit of a hobby, more than a serious attempt at producing them to sell...

This means that it can be a long time before he has the 'urge' to make another batch. I will certainly ask him for you but doubt whether he will produce one as a 'one off' - really depends on how busy he is with his day job too..

I will also see if he has one for sale, or one of the group members has one that they want to get rid of..

Kind regards

Nigel Carver
O/C RAF at War
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February 10th, 2009, 6:31 pm #7

Nigel,

I am in the market for one as well as another forum member here named Thies.....

theotherChris
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February 10th, 2009, 6:35 pm #8

Sefton B type helmets have never been supplied with the metal tip to the chinstrap that the originals posessed. The possibility is that they can be added as an extra measure of authenticity to the reproduction.

I would think that the lack of a metal tip is a good 'tell' for a repro, as is the lack of true bennett buckle. However I think R&D should be put into new bennett buckle which has multiple applications - rather than relying on the waistcoat buckle currently used.
Ric,

Thanks for the illumination. That makes sense to me now. I need to have a Sefton B size 4 made up and I have a pretty beat up size 1 without earcups but with two good Bennett buckles and the proper tip so maybe those parts can be used in the "restoration" of the remainder of the helmet.....by moving them over. All that strap leather is still good too.

Chris
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Joined: July 21st, 2008, 7:16 pm

February 10th, 2009, 8:14 pm #9

Nigel,

I am in the market for one as well as another forum member here named Thies.....

theotherChris
Nigel I am very interested in the Mae West. Please could you e-mail me off forum with any information etc that may pop up. Click on my name. Is it better than Sefton's copy?

Cheers,

Ben
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Joined: July 21st, 2008, 7:16 pm

February 10th, 2009, 8:17 pm #10

Ben, you wrote ".....among other things the possiblilty in the future of the metal end point on the B-type helmet chin strap." This makes no sense. So what about the metal end point? It goes away as he can't get them like the fabric? They will be sold separately? Their future was in doubt and now they have a future? What about it? My metal tips are optimists.....
the sentence meant to read: ".....among other things the<strong>re is the</strong> possiblilty in the future of the metal end point on the B-type helmet chin strap." Sorry, but you get the point don't you?

I'm not aware if it will be sold seperately, just included in any upcoming production runs.
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