modern RAF SD differences

modern RAF SD differences

Joined: May 7th, 2007, 3:34 am

May 9th, 2007, 4:01 am #1

Ok, I'm pretty sure it's just plain wrong, but since I'm quite new to this, what I'd like to know is why.
I know the obvious being the wrong buttons. But at what stage did post-war become unacceptable.

not trying to justify wearing incorrect. It'd be nice to know what to spot when looking for uniforms

Ken
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Joined: February 16th, 2005, 11:34 pm

May 9th, 2007, 8:31 am #2

I think there have been some previous threads on this but I'll go over it for you. Basically RAF service dress hasn't changed very much since just after the First War. It's a tunic with pleated patch pockets on the breast and bellows pockets on the skirt with a single vent at the rear. The WW2 style has four equaly spaced 'crown' buttons to do it up with. In 1947 a new tunic comes in, it has no skirt pockets and is not popular. Within a couple of years it goes and the four pocket style comes back. However one feature of the 47 tunic stays and that is it buttons up with three equally spaced 'crown' buttons and a plain disc button which sits under the buckle.

Now it should be fairly easy to convert a post war tunic into a WW2 style. Post war Queens crown buttons and buckle are staybright and need to be relaced by brass Kings crown items. Also you need to make another fourth (actualy a fifth) button hole to give it the correct WW2 look. Then add your wings or brevet and you are done.

A word of caution though. Some modern tunics have the rank lace in one large braided strip, WW2 are single strips. If you do get one that is another thing to be changed. Also I have noticed that very recent RAF uniforms by Dewhirst have dispensed with the little watch pocket on the hip.
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May 9th, 2007, 10:35 am #3

Another point of caution...
I went the same way and was warned that the colour of later SD is different from the wartime SD.
This apparently changed somewhere in de late 50's (correct me if I'm wrong).
On it's own it's not very noticable, but when in company of some wartime SD, you'll stick out like a sore thumb
Or so I'm told...

I bought an early 50's (I think) SD which is virtually identical in colour to the wartime SD I have. I still have to add the fourth (fifth) button.

Also, wartime SD (or early wartime SD) had the belt sewn to the tunic at the rear. Later SD have a seperate belt.

Cheers, Toine

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May 9th, 2007, 12:01 pm #4

There are some recent updates on http://www.britairforce.com , which help illustrate the above comments. See:

1941 Officer’s jacket http://www.britairforce.com/imagepages/ ... m_1941.htm

1947 Officer’s jacket http://www.britairforce.com/imagepages/ ... m_1947.htm

1970’s Officer’s jacket http://www.britairforce.com/imagepages/ ... lettes.htm

Hope that this helps,
Hylton
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May 9th, 2007, 12:35 pm #5

Another point of caution...
I went the same way and was warned that the colour of later SD is different from the wartime SD.
This apparently changed somewhere in de late 50's (correct me if I'm wrong).
On it's own it's not very noticable, but when in company of some wartime SD, you'll stick out like a sore thumb
Or so I'm told...

I bought an early 50's (I think) SD which is virtually identical in colour to the wartime SD I have. I still have to add the fourth (fifth) button.

Also, wartime SD (or early wartime SD) had the belt sewn to the tunic at the rear. Later SD have a seperate belt.

Cheers, Toine
I forgot to mention the belt. It's more common for it to be stitched into the small of the back however I wouldn't take that as said. My WW2 service dress, of which I have absolutely no doubt is wartime, has the belt as a seperate item. I'll agree with the colour though, WW2 has a certain lighter blue hue to it, post war has gone a darker shade of blue grey.
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Joined: May 7th, 2007, 3:34 am

May 9th, 2007, 1:29 pm #6

I think there have been some previous threads on this but I'll go over it for you. Basically RAF service dress hasn't changed very much since just after the First War. It's a tunic with pleated patch pockets on the breast and bellows pockets on the skirt with a single vent at the rear. The WW2 style has four equaly spaced 'crown' buttons to do it up with. In 1947 a new tunic comes in, it has no skirt pockets and is not popular. Within a couple of years it goes and the four pocket style comes back. However one feature of the 47 tunic stays and that is it buttons up with three equally spaced 'crown' buttons and a plain disc button which sits under the buckle.

Now it should be fairly easy to convert a post war tunic into a WW2 style. Post war Queens crown buttons and buckle are staybright and need to be relaced by brass Kings crown items. Also you need to make another fourth (actualy a fifth) button hole to give it the correct WW2 look. Then add your wings or brevet and you are done.

A word of caution though. Some modern tunics have the rank lace in one large braided strip, WW2 are single strips. If you do get one that is another thing to be changed. Also I have noticed that very recent RAF uniforms by Dewhirst have dispensed with the little watch pocket on the hip.
thats the kind of stuff I was seeking. thanks a ton.

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May 9th, 2007, 1:31 pm #7

There are some recent updates on http://www.britairforce.com , which help illustrate the above comments. See:

1941 Officer’s jacket http://www.britairforce.com/imagepages/ ... m_1941.htm

1947 Officer’s jacket http://www.britairforce.com/imagepages/ ... m_1947.htm

1970’s Officer’s jacket http://www.britairforce.com/imagepages/ ... lettes.htm

Hope that this helps,
Hylton
those are the best comparison photos ive seen.

thanks.

I just didnt want to be buying the wrong stuff with fanciful hopes of conversions.

I hate shortcuts

Ken
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