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havercakelad
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October 29th, 2013, 11:48 am #61

Following passage from a letter sent during 1813-14 North Europe campagn. Probably reflecting the unseasoned troops that made up much of the force.

General Taylor to the Duke of York Jan 25th [1814]
"...I am getting on with my brigade arrangements and hope to have all settled by the day of movement. If Sir Thomas Graham will allow us to leave our packs in store, which General McKenzie has agreed to propose, we shall do much better. The men can do without them in this weather for a week, and to carry them in waggonns and carts would require 35 for my brigade alone. If they carry them on their backs, many will not keep up, and many will throw them away when they go into action, as was done by the 78th..."
The Taylor Papers (1913) H.Taylor
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Ben Townsend
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November 1st, 2013, 8:53 am #62

Presumably the proposed abandonment of knapsacks is in favour of blanket rolls with necessaries inside. Quite telling that a General has to ask his superior to ask his superior in order to get the release.

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April 20th, 2014, 7:42 pm #63

Eddie:8815 wrote: I attach some detail from a couple of Genty occupation prints showing packs - both are Light Infantry with black knapsack strapping but oddly white shoulder straps -artistic licence ? - strange.

Percy William Reynolds made notes on a June 1829 circular on a new pattern knapsack;
"All strings and straps are of buff to obviate the objection against part of the straps requiring blackening."
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March 30th, 2015, 11:42 am #64

Clearly the NAM/Waterloo 200 has some exciting new research.

http://www.nam.ac.uk/waterloo200/200-ob ... -knapsack/


"The design of this piece of equipment changed over time. Until the introduction of the famous Trotter knapsack, designed by Thomas Trotter of Soho Square in 1805, troops carried a canvas version on their backs, supported by straps (from 1790 to 1805)."
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March 30th, 2015, 3:45 pm #65

Groan...

They had that catalogued as Royal Artillery originally.
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March 31st, 2015, 9:03 pm #66

Paul Durrant:12788 wrote:Groan...

They had that catalogued as Royal Artillery originally.
RA was my first thought.
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March 31st, 2015, 9:20 pm #67

The one anomaly of this pack was the colour of the harness straps. I believe brown and black was more of a mark of volunteers/militias. Anyone know if the colours of the paintwork are artillery?

Perhaps RA are the initials of a volunteer unit...?
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April 1st, 2015, 1:23 pm #68

But no Fifth Battalions in any volunteers of this period, nor militia. And no battalion or regiment sized militia artillery until the 1850's.

Darker leathers compatible with 60th Royal Americans, no?
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April 1st, 2015, 2:46 pm #69

That blue could very well be green with faded yellow component, or alternatively a nod to the Royal status.

Also, the lettering appears to me a smudged white, not yellow.
'the whole in a room dancing completely naked, except having their pelices across their shoulders'
The band of the 18th Hussars, 4th of July, 1813.
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Paul Durrant
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April 1st, 2015, 5:53 pm #70

Richard Warren:12802 wrote:But no Fifth Battalions in any volunteers of this period, nor militia. And no battalion or regiment sized militia artillery until the 1850's.

Darker leathers compatible with 60th Royal Americans, no?
Battalion, of course... stupid of me...sorry.

60th? I've no idea on colours, tbh
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