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Officers cap cockades

Eddie
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Joined: 04 Sep 2010, 11:49

31 Oct 2017, 12:08 #1

Over several years I have collected images of the 1812 pattern Regulation Infantry caps aka 'Belgic shako'. Officers caps were made by individual hatters and there is much variance in detail - however a few of them seem to be adorned with an odd cockade and I am interested in identifying the material used as nothing like this seems to exist in Haberdashers today :

This cockade is on a cap held by Bristol museum. IMG_6194.jpg This one at the Green Howards museum - similar?   :

19th belgic 3.jpg Other variants : 32nd private collection
32 3.JPG shako_13.jpg Wob33d_British_officer_s_Wellington_or_Waterloo_style_shako_circa_1812_1815_psd.jpg
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Neibelungen
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Joined: 05 Nov 2010, 11:37

07 Nov 2017, 18:14 #2

The first  one looks to be a pleated and quite substantial  grosgrain (or  more probably a petersham type ) ribbon.
The second is likely to  be a pleated  plain weave  or a thin grosgrain.
The third  is  most likely a later repro  replacement as  it's a tubular  or french braid (Hercules) and  looks either to  be mohair  or rayon.
The forth and fifth are again  plain weaves  or light grosgrain.

The  usual  style  is either 3 pleated circles separate and  overlaid  or a 3 or 4 tier spiral  made with a single length pleated inwards.  The same styles are found  in rosettes on the gorget.
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Eddie
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08 Nov 2017, 07:42 #3

Thanks Andrew. Thought you would know if anyone. So 'pleated' Petersham would just be a running thread along an edge, secured one end and then gathered ??
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Neibelungen
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08 Nov 2017, 16:43 #4

No,  it's  usually folded almost back on  itself and stitched down  into overlaps,  so it's very flat at the base but the outer edge kicks up a lot more.
When you look at them closely they are almost three layers in row with perhaps a 1/16th to a 1/10 inch between each overlaping fold.
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Eddie
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08 Nov 2017, 16:56 #5

Brilliant  - I think I can see that
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High the screaming Fife replies,
Gay the files of scarlet follow:
Woman bore me, I will rise"
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