Brush and Prick (Pick)

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Greg Renault
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Greg Renault
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August 2nd, 2016, 6:07 pm #11

The discussion in this thread--particularly the Hamilton-Smith and Genty images, the 56th SO, and the lack of alternative images--strongly suggest to me that buff leather straps were the norm (at least among line units).  The group I belong to wears the red rag, and accordingly has decided to move from chain to leather attachment for the brush and pricker.  Pic of my new one below.

Greg Renault
A soldier should be as attached to, and careful of, his musket, as his mistress. (G.O. 31st December 1788, Bombay Army)
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Ben Townsend
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Ben Townsend
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August 3rd, 2016, 8:10 am #12

Contrary to popular belief, necessaries were regulated and supposed to follow pattern. As such, we ought to aim for greater uniformity in this item in the 2/95th. This is not so imperative for items like the turnscrew which are less on display, but the pick and wisk are very much so, and as such ought to be uniform. Like everything in or on you, you should consult MC before replacing or changing to avoid purchase mistakes!

Either we all have the same chain version, or the same buff version. Lets hear any more evidence to hand, before deciding.
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havercakelad
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July 7th, 2017, 8:12 pm #13

http://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/a ... tpayne.htm
This self portrait seems to show a brass chain used for the brush and prick.
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Paul Durrant
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March 3rd, 2018, 2:26 pm #14

1768
Bennett Cuthbertson,
A System for the Compleat Interior Management and Oeconomy [sic] of a Battalion of Infantry, Dublin.
(There was also and edition of 1776)

CHAPTER XIII
Of the arms and accoutrements, and the methods for always keeping them in the best condition

Article XXXI
“A picker being often useful to a soldier, for cleaning the touch-hole of his firelock, in the firings, one of strong wire should be fixed, by a small chain, to the edge of his pouch-belt, under the front buckle, and as close to the pouch as possible, but never to hang it in view, as it might be troublesome, in raising the flaps of the pouch, to take out the cartridge."

As taken from: British Military Uniforms, 1768-1796, Hew Strachan, Arms & Armour Press 1975, p158
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DrsRob
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Joined: April 4th, 2016, 8:14 pm

May 28th, 2018, 8:52 am #15

DrsRob wrote: The Dutch Line Infantry Bataillon nr. 8 was raised in Prussia in late 1813 as the 2nd Bataillon, Dutch Legion of Orange. Alone of the three bataillons of that legion it was dressed and equipped from British stores while in Germany. During 1814 it retained the scarlet coatees and stovepipe shakos from this first uniform. According to an inspection report from 10 February 1816 (war department correspondence 2.13.01, inv. nr. 235, lettre of 27 February 1816 nr. 37) the sergeants still wore their English swords (instead of briquets) and the men wore all leather straps on the chest to which were attached pricker and brush.

Normaly the Dutch used a brass chain with pricker like the French, which was ordered to be attached to a brass domed plate on the pouch belt in that year. Until then it must have been attached to a coat button.
In support of this a lettre from the Council of administration of the 7th division(afdeling) to which the 8th Line Battalion was attached (National Archives, 2.13.01 War Department inv.nr. 146, lettre of 16 januari 1816 nr. 29):
№ 17                                                                                             Deventer, den 9 Januarij 1817
 
De Administrateuren van het Bataillon Infanterie van Linie nº 8, hebben zig aan de Raad van Administratie der Afdeeling, geadresseerd ter bekooming van vijfhonderd Ruimnaalden nieuw Model ten einde van de aan deselve toegezondene gebombeerde plaatjes het nodige gebruik te kunnen maken, en wel uit hoofde de Ruimnaalden bij genoemd Bataillon alsnog aan Ledere Riemtjes Engelsch model, en niet aan kettingjes zijn vastgehecht.
Wij nemen dus de Vrijheid Uwer Excellentie authorisatie te solliciteren, de Manschappen van genoemd Bataillon voor Rekening der Equipementskas van de nog niet ontvangen Ruimnaalden volgens model in de plaatz der ledere Riempjes te voorsien.
De Raad van Administratie der 7e Afdeeling Infanterie,
[…]
Aan
Zijne Excellentie De Staats
Raad, Intendant Generaal
Over de Administratie van Oorlog
Translation of the relevant portion:
"because the prickers of said battalion are still attached to leather straps of English pattern and not to chains"
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